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theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:

I have darwin pegged as a certain town role actually, so I'm not too fond of the idea of lynching him toDay. It's far more based on meta than his participation so far, but even barring that I wouldn't want to lynch a first-timer Day One. Additionally, I think it'd be easier to identify him as scum based on flips of his mates than the other way around.

yeah i forgot that you don't like to lynch new people day 1. It's just to me, he's new, and I've seen the exact same kind of talk in mafia QTs of prof overanalyzes but he's trouble etc etc. I could probably pull up 3 or 4 instances of those exact words.

I've seen the same regarding myself; however, it's rarely a first-timer conveying these sentiments. And given darwin's experience of IRL games, there is no actual conversation between scummates.(if his games were even large enough to warrant a team) Thus I would be surprised if he slipped up some night-time thinking into daytime conversation.

This gets me wondering about the mafia threads as of late. Daytalk in the world of VGC was something I introduced IIRC, but was not common when I wasn't hosting. Did Trucks allow you and Mr.P to daytalk in round 71?



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miz1q2w3e said:
Linkzmax said:

Why would you say you're equivalent to two town people?

How do you think you're almost confirmed town, before you fully roleclaimed even? Do you understand what confirmed actually means?

@Mr.P, I would also like to know the answers to these.

Also, I don't know if y'all missed it, but he also claimed D.Va. Any CC (counter claim) to this character? I know it's a long shot, not to mention theme-related, but I'm hoping to possibly catch him in a lie.

I think it's severly doubtful that there will be any name counterclaims. The pool of Overwatch characters outnumbers our game by quite a bit, and from my brief experience of the game there aren't really factions within it. So any character could be a good or bad guy, and even if there was one that stands out as bad guy only, VGC has had enough rounds blown up due to flavor meta that safeclaims have become a norm.(Thankfully)



miz1q2w3e said:
Mr.Playstation said:

How exactly? Why would Mafia target me, if that would mean that no one would get killed during the night?

And to your left we can see Baalzamon fishing for Mr.P's role.

Oh, and did I mention he is the first person to even mention "bulletproof" (in the quoted post). Everything prior to this had pointed towards a double vote, based on Mr.P's wording. I'm pretty sure Baalzamon has an attacking power.

Maybe it's confirmation bias or something along those lines, but I feel better about my unpoken thoughts when others get a similar impression. This post had felt like rolefishing in the sense that anyone that questions his assumption could be deemed vanilla(non-threat) and those agreeing would likely be outing themselves as power roles.  You were the only one to question what "vanillla" means to Baalz, which wouldn't give much information. You followed up by being the only one to bring it up as an accusation while still not really giving any tell.

However, outside of the fear for the role I think prof was hoping would not be claimed, I think in the current situation pressing for Mr.P's role is okay. I would be more worried that Baalz was subtly letting Mr.P know what role he could claim to escape a lynch, but Baalz has been pressing Mr.P quite hard through all of this.

To summarize, I'm worried that Baalz is scum trying to figure out which townies are the biggest threats, but his actions have me leaning town.



NoCtiS_NoX said:
Linkzmax said:

With regards to being back at square one, how is that any different from a no lynch?

It's diiferent Linkz and you know it. If you look at this way. We will only lose one Town or none at all if ever there's a no Lynch.

The real game starts in Day 2 not Day one. I understand that lynching one could give us an info. but for me no lynch is to buy time. If ever there are power roles that can provide us info. the next day then that is awesome and we can go from there. If not then we can just based it from the Scum will kill.  Atleast we only lose 1 townie.

I am not saying that we don't  lynch if we have substantial evidence and there's a slip then let's push or it but lynching a random lurker because they are not posting a lot on day 1 is not good for me. IMO.

I agree it's different, but moreso benefitial to town to mislynch a lurker than to no lynch. For one, an inactive townie is a negative in that they won't be voting when it comes down to end game and if they have a power it will go unused. Two, removing any player reduces the pool for any remaining powers to have a positive influence, and they have a slightly better idea who to target thanks to those pushing for or against the lynch compared to very minimal info from those taking the easy way out of having no lynch. Three, come Day 2 there's a smaller pool of suspects to examine and there's no distraction of "what to we do about Player X that barely posted Day 1?"

I very much disagree, the entire mafia team can be discovered based on conversations Day 1, though it usually won't be apparent until things are confirmed by flips later on. As fun as nighttime activities can be, I've never been a fan of "follow the cop" situations as I think the game should be won or lost by activity in the day. As for buying time, see my previous paragraph. Reading into the scum's kill is most often WIFOM.(Link for darwin and any other newbs unfamiliar with the term)



theprof00 said:
Final-Fan said:

I don't like those those three are your top picks because: 
1.  Darwin is new and a good participant and I don't think there's a good case against him (being a fresh face with good participation buys me a little leeway if I'm on the fence on Day 1)
2.  Final-Fan is me

Stefl I don't have an issue with being on your list, although I am not convinced about it right now. 

As for my picks, Mr. P remains suspect.  Xander is someone I want to see here or dead and soon.  I don't like Baalz but I dimly recall that this has been historically true due to clashing playstyles/philosophies. 

I am not sure I want to disclose my town reads, but I will say there was one that surprised me. 

I just don't think being new and a good participant should count. Much like even though I think you're mafia, I'd hate to lynch you because I haven't seen you in so long. We need to put things like this aside if we are to get anywhere. Conversely, if darwin IS mafia, that would make him more of a threat that he's participating, would it not? Considering that the town, and yourself was willing to lynch a lurker, xander.

Though I agree, it is hard to put feelings aside. And while darwin seems like a cool dude, that doesn't lessen my opinion that I think he's actively defending stefl with stefl's own words.

One thing that's standing out to me is I think I was Stefl's biggest defender while stating I was okay with his lynch. I both outlined Stefl's flaws more than others and gave reasons for his actions that he himself did not state. This should be such a flag for most regardless of how the view Stefl, yet nobody, including you called me out on any of that.

This is probably also the longest we've ever gone without really directly pointing at the other person in some fashion. What's going on.. Are you town, bro?



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Mr.Playstation said:
NoCtiS_NoX said:

While I agree that they will be of little help down the line but for day 1. I am not really fond of lynching lurkers day 1. We can be at situation that we don't have any info. at all and we are bak at square one.  That's my 2 cents.

So what can be gained from me? If linkzmax had just gone back to Round 72 he would have noticed that as town my Day 1's are also always quiet. Which would have stopped his vote and the lynch train after it. I still think we should look at the Pro's and lynch one of them.

 

Now I know for a fact that lynching me will not only get you nothing, but it will also lose town a fairly substantial power role. 

I will read Round 72(and probably 71[Trucks you need to modedit the title of MG Mafia :P] as well) tomorrow as well as do a re-read of toDay. My initial suspicion of you wasn't simply because you were quiet, but because you were sowing the seed of distrust in Day 1 activity. You said Day 1 votes can stir the pot in the wrong direction. You gave last round as an example, but that's terrible since 3 of the 4 votes from town were on scum.

If you're indeed town, you no longer have a role that represents any power by the way. You are as much of a threat as a vanilla townie to scum. You cannot be confirmed as town unless both a town cop and rolecop exist either.(The latter won't usually identify faction in the case of ambiguos roles like BP or Roleblocker) In short, you will continue to be a hindrance(as in a question mark) for town. Should I offer you congratulations on playing scummy instead of trying to draw a kill and be the hero?



Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:

yeah i forgot that you don't like to lynch new people day 1. It's just to me, he's new, and I've seen the exact same kind of talk in mafia QTs of prof overanalyzes but he's trouble etc etc. I could probably pull up 3 or 4 instances of those exact words.

I've seen the same regarding myself; however, it's rarely a first-timer conveying these sentiments. And given darwin's experience of IRL games, there is no actual conversation between scummates.(if his games were even large enough to warrant a team) Thus I would be surprised if he slipped up some night-time thinking into daytime conversation.

This gets me wondering about the mafia threads as of late. Daytalk in the world of VGC was something I introduced IIRC, but was not common when I wasn't hosting. Did Trucks allow you and Mr.P to daytalk in round 71?

Not sure if I remember specifically, but maybe yes? I think the last two games had day talk...

Just found it, metal gear mafia with me plat and mrp as mafia, there was daytalk



Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:

I just don't think being new and a good participant should count. Much like even though I think you're mafia, I'd hate to lynch you because I haven't seen you in so long. We need to put things like this aside if we are to get anywhere. Conversely, if darwin IS mafia, that would make him more of a threat that he's participating, would it not? Considering that the town, and yourself was willing to lynch a lurker, xander.

Though I agree, it is hard to put feelings aside. And while darwin seems like a cool dude, that doesn't lessen my opinion that I think he's actively defending stefl with stefl's own words.

One thing that's standing out to me is I think I was Stefl's biggest defender while stating I was okay with his lynch. I both outlined Stefl's flaws more than others and gave reasons for his actions that he himself did not state. This should be such a flag for most regardless of how the view Stefl, yet nobody, including you called me out on any of that.

This is probably also the longest we've ever gone without really directly pointing at the other person in some fashion. What's going on.. Are you town, bro?

It's only because there have been many others that have jumped out at me. I haven't done my read through of you yet, hence why you're in the up in the air category I listed earlier. However, as a brief feel, I didn't specifically say, but you've said a bunch of things I was thinking during the course of the game. One of which you even preempted a line of my questioning which had me a little irritated.

So yeah, I don't have much to fault you for this game. (also, I think I might've found your town tell)



Linkzmax said:
Mr.Playstation said:

So what can be gained from me? If linkzmax had just gone back to Round 72 he would have noticed that as town my Day 1's are also always quiet. Which would have stopped his vote and the lynch train after it. I still think we should look at the Pro's and lynch one of them.

 

Now I know for a fact that lynching me will not only get you nothing, but it will also lose town a fairly substantial power role. 

I will read Round 72(and probably 71[Trucks you need to modedit the title of MG Mafia :P] as well) tomorrow as well as do a re-read of toDay. My initial suspicion of you wasn't simply because you were quiet, but because you were sowing the seed of distrust in Day 1 activity. You said Day 1 votes can stir the pot in the wrong direction. You gave last round as an example, but that's terrible since 3 of the 4 votes from town were on scum.

If you're indeed town, you no longer have a role that represents any power by the way. You are as much of a threat as a vanilla townie to scum. You cannot be confirmed as town unless both a town cop and rolecop exist either.(The latter won't usually identify faction in the case of ambiguos roles like BP or Roleblocker) In short, you will continue to be a hindrance(as in a question mark) for town. Should I offer you congratulations on playing scummy instead of trying to draw a kill and be the hero?

What distrust??!! Last game Prof joke voted against Xander, and look where that got us... Joke votes as I also mentioned last game stir the pot (we got well over 100 posts last game first day) but in the end it all came down to a non-lynch. I'm not sure what zero was thinking (By voting for Xander) but maybe he could have been influenced by Prof's initial vote. 



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@Linkzmas how are you just assuming that my role is about as powerful as that of a vanilla town (Now that my role is out)? Do you think they're is a strongman or a similar role in mafia? The way I see it Mafia can either try and kill me (and in the process spend/waste two nights) or let my role snowball and become more powerful over time. Last game I knew Prof was a doctor and Zero was a cop but apart from educated guesses and hoping I was lucky, I couldn't do much else.

To clarify can a role blocker, block the BP?



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