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Cobertnation on 31 March 2008

GTA4 will sell more on the 360 I'm not going to deine that. just on what i hear now and then 360 fans cant wait to get it, taking away a sony excu. all the people that want to buy it for the 360 already have a 360 so the sales will incease only about 10 to 15k, but for hardware it will go to the ps3 on the logic of reality that some 360 fans dont seem to have when looking at this release and the overall picture of the year. the true hardcore fans of the series is still on the ps2. I dont know what MS will have to do, to convice them to go 360 when we haven't really heard nothing of the DLC and all of the problems everyone has heard of that are happening with the 360. The hardcore fans will stay with sony since they been with them from the beginning so they will just stay.

dont care what the MS fanboys say the market share if you really look into the numbers,no one is factoring the ps2 is still selling all over the world add those to the ps3 and sony is selling more hardware. the gaming population is those 120+ million ps2 owners. they will decide this outcome, they will think past this great release at the other big time releases this year and will go with sony. the reason is the excu. games that are coming out for the ps3. MGS4, Killzone 2, FF Vlll, RFoM 2, GT 5. what does all of those have in commen with each other exclude RFoM 2, their Predecessor's where made on the ps2, so that will get the fans behind those games to the ps3. those are the games that will sell the ps3 past the 360 not this year but in 2009, when all the games will be to great for the standard dvd that MS haves right now. I'll just throw this out probably going to get negatitive feedback from this but I think the year of 09/010, MS will be coming out with a new hardware system to be able to play the new gaming space standard that blue-ray has put into motion. back to the topic, I keep on hearing from all my friends that are 360 fanboys that what about 360's excus this year? they will sell just as much hardware or more then sonys when the come out.

lets be real about this, you have to look at the fanbase of those games to see that they will sell the games with the 360 base but not get the bench-sitters in the middle to go there way. GoW 2, fable 2, Halo wars. and others please name them if i dont sorry. what do they all have is common, their Predecessors except HWars and i think fable where all made on the 360 so, the people that will by the games will already have owned the system. so there wont be a huge increase of hardware sales for any of those games. halo fans are the fan base for Halo wars. the only way I see MS selling hardware is keep cutting the price on the system and/or cut the prices on the games themselves. Last time I heard and that was yesterday MS is still in the red with it's gaming division since they selled the 360 at a low price then it should have due to the high production cost. Sony's gaming division is in th black/or green how ever you look at it since they did price it a little to high when release. but when the 40gb no BC came out thats when it all started to go sonys way.

Sorry for such a long entry please comment back and I dis and agree with any statement that comes up due to this entry.
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Staude on 31 March 2008
RAZurrection said:
Legend11 said:
MikeB said:
jrix said:
MikeB said:
The exclusive episodes for the 360 are nice, but offers no real system selling potential. Free online multiplayer, free Home integration + DLC, no disc scratching / RRod worries, alledged better graphics for the PS3 version, no annoying drive noise, etc should be of greater importance.

A PS2 GTA fan will probably prefer the PS3 controller which is very similar to the PS2 controller, also all major PS2 exclusives (Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, The Getaway, Jak & Daxter, God of War, etc, etc) are more or less all comfirmed to come to the PS3 exclusively.

Really... Does nobody here see there are some very strong points to the advantage of the PS3 summarized above? IMO much stronger than the 2 non-free future espisodes nobody knows anything about and cheaper entry price (but lots of hidden costs as well as much lower entry specifications).

umhh...better graphics? how do you know? just because is ps3?.. or is just your personal opinion.. ?

if you compare the games that come out in both consoles you'll see that there is a clear winner and it isn't the ps3.

I included a source above. With regard to multi-platform games, most are about on par the biggest difference is with regard to Oblvion which looks much better on the PS3 than the 360 (read my sig, they are only scratching the surface though). Current exclusive games do look better on the PS3 as well, multi-platform PS3 versions are improving, the 360 game engine design isn't ideal to port over to the PS3 but better results can be accomplished with some effort (redesign, which will benefit even the 360/PC version, but to a much lesser extend, ironically due to PS3 related redesign the 360 version benefits from this as well).


Eurogamer just released an article on March 25th (their 10th in a series) comparing PS3 and 360 multiplatform games... I'll save everyone some time and sum up what they said...

Army of Two - 360 runs at 720p with anti-aliasing, PS3 version runs with a border and below 720p resolution and to add insult to injury it has no anti-aliasing.

Blacksite: Area 51 - They call the conversion of it to PS3 "horrifically, jaw-droppingly awful" and that the PS3 version is "ten times worse" than the already mediocre 360 version.

Lost Planet: Extreme Condition - They are surprised at the worse colour balance of the PS3 version as well as the "inclusion of horrible motion blur and some truly horrendous frame-rate drops" compared to the 360 version.

Conflict: Denied Ops - It's development must have led on the 360 because the PS3 version is substandard with frame rate drops, pared down visuals, and the anti-aliasing on the 360 version replaced with an indistinct blur on the PS3.

Dynasty Warriors 6 - They're surprised at the "love and attention" that the 360 gets at the hands of these developers since it's gameplay is identical to the PS3 version even though the Xbox 360 must contribute so little to KOEI's overall revenue. The only way to tell the games apart is that the pre-rendered video sequences look better on the PS3 thanks to Blu-Ray.

Lost: The Video Game - "The Xbox 360 version is considerably better than its Playstation 3 sibling. "The PS3 version definitely lags behind, not just in terms of refresh speed but also in the introduction of annoying screen tear which is far less prevalent on the Microsoft console. It's yet another game that 'benefits' from the PS3 Vaseline effect, whereby the 4x multi-sample anti-aliasing of the 360 game is replaced by a blur that attempts to simulate the same effect.".

Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2 - Pretty much the same, they just mention that the 360 version scales up nicely.

So for those keeping track that's:

360 - 5
PS3 - 1
Tie - 1

source: http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=128362

Wow, so even 18 months later, despite having PS3 devkits for longer PS3 is still struggeling in its ability to run multi-platform games on a Core 360 level, some of those downgraded are game breaking. Sony really needs to go to someone else with their console design next gen - if there is a PS4 - because launching later at ahigher price with inferior hardware is pretty pathetic.

Thank god most games lead on 360 for better textures, real-time rumble, shorter load times, higher frame-rates and no graphical downgrades.


 LOL .. ... On which planet do you reside ?.. ofcourse your logic is only flawed by one thing.. This is earth.

 I guess if its inferior hardware its more robust ?.. doesent crash ? doesent break ?.. is able to achieve the same with the ppe that the xbox is able to using all three of its cores.. indeed.... it is so.. IN OPPOSITE WORLD .. lol :p



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De85 on 31 March 2008
Cobertnation said:
GTA4 will sell more on the 360 I'm not going to deine that. just on what i hear now and then 360 fans cant wait to get it, taking away a sony excu. all the people that want to buy it for the 360 already have a 360 so the sales will incease only about 10 to 15k, but for hardware it will go to the ps3 on the logic of reality that some 360 fans dont seem to have when looking at this release and the overall picture of the year. the true hardcore fans of the series is still on the ps2. I dont know what MS will have to do, to convice them to go 360 when we haven't really heard nothing of the DLC and all of the problems everyone has heard of that are happening with the 360. The hardcore fans will stay with sony since they been with them from the beginning so they will just stay.

dont care what the MS fanboys say the market share if you really look into the numbers,no one is factoring the ps2 is still selling all over the world add those to the ps3 and sony is selling more hardware. the gaming population is those 120+ million ps2 owners. they will decide this outcome, they will think past this great release at the other big time releases this year and will go with sony. the reason is the excu. games that are coming out for the ps3. MGS4, Killzone 2, FF Vlll, RFoM 2, GT 5. what does all of those have in commen with each other exclude RFoM 2, their Predecessor's where made on the ps2, so that will get the fans behind those games to the ps3. those are the games that will sell the ps3 past the 360 not this year but in 2009, when all the games will be to great for the standard dvd that MS haves right now. I'll just throw this out probably going to get negatitive feedback from this but I think the year of 09/010, MS will be coming out with a new hardware system to be able to play the new gaming space standard that blue-ray has put into motion. back to the topic, I keep on hearing from all my friends that are 360 fanboys that what about 360's excus this year? they will sell just as much hardware or more then sonys when the come out.

lets be real about this, you have to look at the fanbase of those games to see that they will sell the games with the 360 base but not get the bench-sitters in the middle to go there way. GoW 2, fable 2, Halo wars. and others please name them if i dont sorry. what do they all have is common, their Predecessors except HWars and i think fable where all made on the 360 so, the people that will by the games will already have owned the system. so there wont be a huge increase of hardware sales for any of those games. halo fans are the fan base for Halo wars. the only way I see MS selling hardware is keep cutting the price on the system and/or cut the prices on the games themselves. Last time I heard and that was yesterday MS is still in the red with it's gaming division since they selled the 360 at a low price then it should have due to the high production cost. Sony's gaming division is in th black/or green how ever you look at it since they did price it a little to high when release. but when the 40gb no BC came out thats when it all started to go sonys way.

Sorry for such a long entry please comment back and I dis and agree with any statement that comes up due to this entry.
PSN: Cobertnation

 I guess you haven't checked financial statements in at leat two quarters then because MS gaming division is reporting profits.  Sony's did also, but your claim that it was because of the PS3's high price is 100% fallacious.  Sony's games division made a profit form the PS2, PSP, and software.  The PS3 console itself is still a sinkhole for money. 



Strategyking92 on 31 March 2008
ProChaoS said:
MikeB said:
The exclusive episodes for the 360 are nice, but offers no real system selling potential. Free online multiplayer, free Home integration + DLC, no disc scratching / RRod worries, alledged better graphics for the PS3 version, no annoying drive noise, etc should be of greater importance.


 Yes you have right. PS3 players can play at night and others people in room will no wakeup. 


Yes, you right. Ps3 rockers and beated 360 badest. ps3 is the awesome. 

 

 

*actually*

MikeB: I think people will care more about an extra 1/6 of the game than it making  what? a little noise? you're just a fanboy, you'll spin it your way, it's sad really.



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FaRmLaNd on 01 April 2008

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SpartanFX on 01 April 2008

i ll get it for PS3,,,I will play it for two weeks and only do 2-3 missions and the rest is my own time to run free in the city and have fun with out worrying about the damn missions,,I think that's what most poeple do,,none of my friends have ever finished the missions including my self

 

I don't understand why we are arguing here,,,xbox sells 2:1 in us and it will be almost a tie in europe with 100-200 thousands in favour of xbox due to the price cut.



 

 

 

Torillian on 01 April 2008
Strategyking92 said:
 


*actually*

MikeB: I think people will care more about an extra 1/6 of the game than it making what? a little noise? you're just a fanboy, you'll spin it your way, it's sad really.

 
Yes he is certainly spinning things quite profoundly, wish he wouldn't do that.  Now about this extra 1/6 number you threw out here.  Mind proving it? 

 



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MikeB on 01 April 2008
RAZurrection said:
MikeB said:
@ RAZurrection

oblivion with most of the effects turned off


1) What do you mean? Graphically it's mostly longer draw distances, higher rendering resolution and smoother overall experience, effects are the same if you patch the 360 version or so I heard. Oblivion was considered to be a game which truly pushed the 360 (Oblivion is really a PC orientated game, due to development similarities a 360 port should have been easier), but according to Bethesda they are only scratching the surface of what's possible on the PS3.

2) I am happy for the extra development, I wouldn't have liked a direct effortless 360 port, I rather wait some more for a better game.

and output resolution, there's no worries running a game in 1080p on 360 - TRUEHD according to Sony, it's a shame PS3 can't output all of its games in TRUEHD like 360 can, feels like PS2.5.


3)1080p requires more performance, for simple games that's easy, for complex games a lot of legacy game engine code needs to be ported to the Cell's SPUs to achieve acceptable framerates. 2D and semi 3D games => easy, small environment sports games => relatively easy, more open world games => very hard (needs the Cell's SPUs and good RSX optimization).

4)For the rest, let's reserve our technical discussions for christmas.

1) Anti-aliasing is turned off, so is the HDR.

2) I imagine you only own DMC4, Burnout Paradise and Oblivion for your PS3 multi-plats then

3) It does? All my 360 games run at 1080p the resolution Sony claimed was only way to experiece trueHD, imagine my surprise when I hear that only a handful of PS3 games support 1080p output, according to Sony, this is not next-gen.

4) Why? I could beat the crap out of in a real technical discussion on framebuffers, bandwidth, truncated floating points, suitable SPE work and so forth. I hope you're not inferring that the crappy versions of real next gen games are going to go away...because they're not - I am amazed that 18 months on they're still present and people like you still have unwavering faith in a console designed by monkeys - and that Sony is somehow going to turn Resistance 2 into something that doesn't look like Resistance 1 (which it does), or INfamous isn't going almost exactly like Prototype or that GT5P looks worse than GRID, any hopes of that not being true are going out the window.

And the fact that it still hasn't sunk in yet....that's blind faith you can't buy and its sad.

 

Alternatively you could just be obtuse for obtusity's sake...but two can play at that game.


Sorry but you know nothing about the things you're shouting, what you claim with regard to Oblivion is incorrect. The PS3 can upscale PS2 games or DVD movies to HD resolutions as well, it doesn't make this content HD at all, you're attitude isn't very usefull to go in depth explaining these things to you. Sorry do some reading on the internet, Beyond3D would be a good place to start, but avoid websites with 360 or XBox within their url, I am going to take up on PS's advise and just ignore you from now on.

 



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PS360ForTheWin on 01 April 2008

Ive pre-ordered the PS3 version, largely as i want more games for my PS3 (i have 11)
rather than my 360 which i use a lot anyway (16 games owned).