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WolfpackN64 said:

What? Not only is your first statement quite racist and untrue to begin withn your second one is simply preposterous. We promote economic equality, not cultural equality.

And yes, capitalism DOES cause racism by a large degree.

You need to stop ignoring the data that races do have intellectual hierarchy ... 

I never said anything about your kind promoting cultural equality. Your kind is trying to force social equality as if you expect all other cultures will persist in your fantasy dreams in believing that each human life is equal with their differing beliefs ... 

Political correctness is not righteous no matter how you see it when it limits freedom of expression and most importantly freedom of thought ... 

Capitalism is an economic concept therefore you cannot make the claim that it causes racism when it's blind to such a thing ... 

You will never obtain both economic equality AND social equality without wiping out the entire human race to start a unified human race no matter how much you wish it.  



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Imo not being friends with a racist is fine...

Not being friends because he or she may be rightwing is just absurd really...



SuaveSocialist said:
robzo100 said:

Let's say it is in fact "wrong" to be a Trump supporter. What is the next best course of action for making sure the country and it's people move in the right direction?

Is it to unfriend them in every possible public arena (Forums, FB, Twitter, in-person) or would it be to somehow find a way to keep the bridges of communication live despite differences. I believe in the latter and you seem to believe in the former, which is fine, but correct me if I'm wrong on that. And if I'm right on that count, can you explain how alienation will lead to more progress than non-alienation?

Same for anyone else who wants to alienate those members of society. Is it an effective approach to your end-game?

"To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.” --Thomas Paine

If a friend is unresponsive to political reality (ex http://quantum-displacement.tumblr.com/post/146015554444/anti-trump-masterpost ), a better course of action to making the country move in the right direction is to use your energy where it might accomplish something--even if that means leaving said friend to his delusions.  You can't help those who are unwilling to be helped and are unwilling to help themselves.

More productive alternatives would be to get involved with Wolf PAC http://www.wolf-pac.com/, or involved with grassroots movements to elect replacements for all the insane/obstructionist Republicans in office, or making your case to those who may actually be receptive.  Wasting your time on the Reich-Wing (count the Nazi tattoos!  https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-W0NDO_5p3fk/VunSdRVZE_I/AAAAAAAA3Js/ZFTewqASh50AzXZph1z2Zn_DIbfK2vZRA/s1600/ra658azs1s1o1q4ozqhg.png)   is certainly less efficient, less effective, and less rewarding if your endgame is to improve your country. 

That is fine as far as it goes, but your argument assumes that the Trump supporter has a complete and well-informed position.  I think more of his supporters are ignorant and/or misinformed, and if they are not wilfully ignorant then you may well be able to educate them and in doing so make them less supportive of Trump and his kind. 

I have a friend who's a Trump supporter, and I recently explained to him that a "trade deficit" doesn't involve the US government handing Mexico a pile of money. 



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Final-Fan said:

That is fine as far as it goes, but your argument assumes that the Trump supporter has a complete and well-informed position.  I think more of his supporters are ignorant and/or misinformed, and if they are not wilfully ignorant then you may well be able to educate them and in doing so make them less supportive of Trump and his kind. 

I have a friend who's a Trump supporter, and I recently explained to him that a "trade deficit" doesn't involve the US government handing Mexico a pile of money. 

Do you think Trump voters are not voting in their own self-interest?



StarDoor said:
Final-Fan said:

That is fine as far as it goes, but your argument assumes that the Trump supporter has a complete and well-informed position.  I think more of his supporters are ignorant and/or misinformed, and if they are not wilfully ignorant then you may well be able to educate them and in doing so make them less supportive of Trump and his kind. 

I have a friend who's a Trump supporter, and I recently explained to him that a "trade deficit" doesn't involve the US government handing Mexico a pile of money. 

Do you think Trump voters are not voting in their own self-interest?

I don't think that's universally true.  For example, though not all Trump supporters are racist, most racists seem to support Trump.  Even if Trump isn't motivated by racism at all, they perceive his policy proposals as having a "racist" outcome (correctly, I think), and are voting in that interest. 



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Final-Fan said:
StarDoor said:

Do you think Trump voters are not voting in their own self-interest?

I don't think that's universally true.  For example, though not all Trump supporters are racist, most racists seem to support Trump.  Even if Trump isn't motivated by racism at all, they perceive his policy proposals as having a "racist" outcome (correctly, I think), and are voting in that interest. 

If Trump's policies align with their desires, then aren't they justified in voting for him? How does it show a lack of a "complete and well-informed position"?



StarDoor said:
Final-Fan said:

I don't think that's universally true.  For example, though not all Trump supporters are racist, most racists seem to support Trump.  Even if Trump isn't motivated by racism at all, they perceive his policy proposals as having a "racist" outcome (correctly, I think), and are voting in that interest. 

If Trump's policies align with their desires, then aren't they justified in voting for him? How does it show a lack of a "complete and well-informed position"?

You appear to have misread my earlier post.  I never said that there weren't plenty of Trump voters whose support was well-informed.  I just said there were also plenty (more than 50% IMO) whose support was ill-informed or misinformed. 

That's why I think it's a bad idea for people to potentially write people out of their lives for the crime of ignorance, especially when they perceive themselves as being politically active citizens, who should be helping other people become more well-informed on both policy issues and where candidates stand on them. 



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StarDoor said:

If Trump's policies align with their desires, then aren't they justified in voting for him? How does it show a lack of a "complete and well-informed position"?

That's the thing, it doesn't ... 

It's that the other side don't dare consider another position so they pass off the vast majority of supporters as uninformed about THEIR OWN beliefs ... 



fatslob-:O said:
WolfpackN64 said:

What? Not only is your first statement quite racist and untrue to begin withn your second one is simply preposterous. We promote economic equality, not cultural equality.

And yes, capitalism DOES cause racism by a large degree.

You need to stop ignoring the data that races do have intellectual hierarchy ... 

I never said anything about your kind promoting cultural equality. Your kind is trying to force social equality as if you expect all other cultures will persist in your fantasy dreams in believing that each human life is equal with their differing beliefs ... 

Political correctness is not righteous no matter how you see it when it limits freedom of expression and most importantly freedom of thought ... 

Capitalism is an economic concept therefore you cannot make the claim that it causes racism when it's blind to such a thing ... 

You will never obtain both economic equality AND social equality without wiping out the entire human race to start a unified human race no matter how much you wish it.  

Wow, this post, is so wrong on all the levels.

To start, there can be no data of intellectual hierarchy of races since there is only one human race. There are cultural and societal difference along with differences in looks, but there is only one race.

You make it sound like equality is something inherent to culture. It's not, equality is a basic human trait and can be fought for anywhere.

Economy is the base of human interactions, so yes, an economic concept can cause racism.

And your last post is just stupid.



WolfpackN64 said:
fatslob-:O said:

You need to stop ignoring the data that races do have intellectual hierarchy ... 

I never said anything about your kind promoting cultural equality. Your kind is trying to force social equality as if you expect all other cultures will persist in your fantasy dreams in believing that each human life is equal with their differing beliefs ... 

Political correctness is not righteous no matter how you see it when it limits freedom of expression and most importantly freedom of thought ... 

Capitalism is an economic concept therefore you cannot make the claim that it causes racism when it's blind to such a thing ... 

You will never obtain both economic equality AND social equality without wiping out the entire human race to start a unified human race no matter how much you wish it.  

Wow, this post, is so wrong on all the levels.

To start, there can be no data of intellectual hierarchy of races since there is only one human race. There are cultural and societal difference along with differences in looks, but there is only one race.

You make it sound like equality is something inherent to culture. It's not, equality is a basic human trait and can be fought for anywhere.

Economy is the base of human interactions, so yes, an economic concept can cause racism.

And your last post is just stupid.

Are you saying that you are no more genetically related to your parents than to someone on the other side of the planet? Your argument is the equivalent of saying that your family doesn't exist. Race is just family writ large based on genetic similarity. Distinct population groups do exist among humans; we've experienced 50 to 100 thousand years of evolution in separate environments. It's insane to argue that evolution shaped skin pigmentation, bone density, skull structure, blood type, disease immunity, bacterial microbiomes, and much more, but left cognitive traits untouched. The only reason that people like you object to this reality is because you think that it somehow justifies the subjugation of other groups of people, a belief that is even more "racist" than anything you assign to the people you disagree with.