Hiku said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Sorry, I should have rephrased that as mainline conspiracy theories. Those that hold water, not the absurd David Icke ones regarding aliens,etc. Those that are meant to distract from valid theories. As for journalistic integrity,this election has painted a very clear picture on what the current mainstream pundits lack and have really shown true colours of biased.
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I figured that may have been what you were refering to, but that wouldn't be a relevant comparison because that's not what Infowars and Alex Jones mainly devote themselves to. They frequentlly feature a lot of things like "Occultic Hilary summons the dead", or "No one died in the Sandy Hook shooting, and the dead children were actors" - "Yeah, so, Sandy Hook is a synthetic completely fake with actors, in my view, manufactured. I couldn’t believe it at first. I knew they had actors there, clearly, but I thought they killed some real kids. And it just shows how bold they are, that they clearly used actors. I mean they even ended up using photos of kids killed in mass shootings here in a fake mass shooting in Turkey -- so yeah, or Pakistan. The sky is now the limit." "Government turning people gay" And of course "Hilary confirmed communist chinese spy".
And the list goes on. Even if they feature some more mainstream theories, the ratio of crackpot theories are too high to presume most of these will turn out true.
| Yup, Sweden who has had a massive influx of economic migrants pretending to be refuguees who do not even share the same cultural values as Sweden, had absolutely no effect on this. While the Swedish government has catered to these people, Infowars did not pull the story because they called "Bullshit" on the vague explanation of the Swedish Transport Association. Don't get me wrong, I do not believe that Infowars is perfect and that they have flawless reporting. No news outlet does and any belief would be absolutely absurd. It is not suprising that Swedishg government officials and authorities have helped as an example coverup sexual assualts and rapes of female youth by migrant gangs in order to suit their agenda. As for your most serious news outlet comments, please research how many times Fox,CNN and MSNBC have made false statements and bothered to put out a proper retraction. |
Infowards didn't even report on the official report that stated that this was law. A law that has been around for decades. Why didn't they? If they're not afraid of people making up their own minds by hearing all the facts that is? Infowards either didn't want people to know this most crucial fact of all regarding this case, or they didn't do the bare minumum research (very public information covered by all major news outlets in Sweden) before they broke their version of the story. Either way, it's piss poor work and a joke to call it journalism. They don't let facts stand in the way of a good story. That's a major difference difference between them and biased mainstream media. They rarely go nearly that far, because they know they'll get massive shit for it. Alex Jones answers to no one but a crowd of mostly very easily imprtessionable people.
And this obviously has nothing to do with immigration. Not only because this law has been there for decades. But mainly because public christmas decorations will remain as usual in most places that previously housed them, which is mainly town squares in the inner cities around stores with electricity that doesn't come from the Transportation department, parks, and rural areas. What's mainly affected by this are trafic poles. I live in Sweden, so I know a thing or two about how things actually look, vs the the picture the extreme right wants to paint so more situations like the KKK skinheads arming themselves at voting polls in the US to intimidate minorities from coming out to vote, can occur. Is there a problem with immigration here? Absolutely. But sadly, insincere hateful people use it as an opportunity to push their agenda by twisting stories, and ignoring facts.
For example, there was a story about a year ago (reported by a far right website) that Sweden banned/censored access to a Daily Mail article (website from UK) about a certain case involving an immigrant. The comment section went wild about how the governement censors media for immigrants sake, and there were many many death threats towards politicians... What actually happened? Daily Mail themselves stated that they were the ones who blocked Swedish IP adresses, on recommendations by their own lawyers, to avoid possible issues just in case, because their article is in conflict with Swedish law.
Oops? Probably shouldn't have murdered that politician before knowing all the facts... The problem, and danger, with underground media is that they often intentionally fail to report these facts. Mainstream media cannot get away with that nearly as easily, for reasons I mention further below.
The "coverups of sexual assault" you're refering to I'm going to guess is cases such as the man who could not be identified, or have his age verified. He claimed to be below 18. Again (go figure) we have a law in Sweden that forbids the outing of underaged suspects in media. Ever. That law has been there for over a hundred years, and has 0 to do with immigration. Unless you believe the law was planted a century ago, for this reason. Yes, there was serious doubt about the suspect's age, but the burden of proof falls on the court to prove his age.
But hey, let's not let silly things like the law stand in the way of our agenda. I'm not surprised about your view of Sweden because you'll probably hear a lot of these kind of "reports" where they conveniently leave out crucial facts, based on where you get your news. Is this what you refer to as "factual" though? You pointing out those sexual assault/rape cases, I mean, without considering the law that protecs minors from being named in media? You present it that way out of context. In reality, they were obiding by the law. Which has protected countless native minors in the past. No one issued concerns then, until it applies to unidentifiable immigrants. Then all of a sudden it's a conflict of interests. The interests of far right extremists, to be precise.
| Yes, because countries (like Canada and later U.S) decided to ban BPA in plastic bottles over concerns of horomone disruption in youth.They just magically did this to make thmeselves feel better. They animals they test, the breed of mouse that has similarities in studies which we use to determine certain standards in humans was finding that BPA was causing Estrogen mimicking hormones in men. It was published through Harvard as well, FFS! |
There's a difference between "concern" and "proven". There was a concern about PC mouses causing cancer in the 90's. And we were talking about something very specific. Turning "gay". Moreover, it's not the existence of the chemical that I question. (There's a difference between doubting it's existence and believing it's confirmed to exist.) It's Alex Jones' theory on what the government is doing with these things.
| That someone was a moron/ well meaning idiot unfortunately. Journalistic integrity is a figment of one's imagination when using either one of those three outlets as a reputable source. MSNBC and CNN have had headlines where stating Trump is a racist (not a fan of Trump but believe he is the lesser of two evils) when nothing he stated can be actaully classified as racism, if you actually listen to his speech. Wikileaks has revealed as well that these journalists with apparent integrity (some of them) not only picked sides but fed information to the Clinton campaign prior to debates. |
Well that person has a point, because those mainstream media in question have aspirations that underground alternative news outlets don't. Just a few quick examples: Anything from interviews with world leaders, to being a moderator at the presidential debates. They also tend to have a mix of registered republican and democrat representation. It doesn't appear the ratio is anywhere near balanced in Infowars. And the news anchor in this segment was scoffing and snickering after every other sentence during the report. Not after, during a discussion. Either way, they don't have the same aspirations as mainstream media. Basically, mainstream media have many things that keep them in check. That said, I'm not suggesting they never cross the line. I'm saying the ratio between bias and BS will be tipped much further on one side of the scale, compared to alternative media who don't have these things holding them back.
As for calling Trump racist, that may be crossing the line, or not. It's a term that can be debatable. Trump said that a judge couldn't do his job properly in the case of Trump University, because he's of Mexican heretidge. To that, Paul Ryan said "Claiming a person can’t do the job because of their race is sort of like the textbook definition of a racist comment. I think that should be absolutely disavowed. It’s absolutely unacceptable.". So you could make the claim that he is racist based on the definition of the term. However I don't think "Chinese communist spy" is very open for intepritation. These have severe legal implications.
As for "the lesser of two evils", I'd say the same about the candidate who doesn't retween KKK leaders and is now officially endorsed by them, wants to remove all restrictions on mining, drilling and fracking, shut down the Environmental Protection Agency, and says they won't rule out nuking Europe. But that's another discussion.
| I will admit the headline of "Chinese spy" was absurd. Influenced financially by China would have been more appropriate. It seems Infowars has been counterin mainstream media with similr tactics. Your statement is like someone living in a glass house throwing a stone however as there is no actual concrete evidence (which Clinton lied about on ntional t.v) linking the Russians to the wikileaks, however our media has deceptively portrayed this story to hold actual merit. |
It's not the "Chinese spy" part of the headline I have a problem with. I expect that kind of thing from them. It's the "confirmed" part I don't like. They can keep claiming that Hilary is a witch who summons demons, because their readers enjoy that, but they shouldn't call it "confirmed" unless it really is. Especially in cases with severe criminal implications.
And are you seriously comparing calling her a "confirmed communist chinese spy", to the linking of wikileaks to Russia through 17 intelligtence agencies? Both private and military?
"The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities."
That's a fair comparison in your book? 17 intelligence agencies to what? Zero. An issue with alternative media and conspiracy enthusiasts is that their definition of facts can widely differ from the general definition of the term. There are people who genuinely believe that aliens (and I don't mean microscopical organisms on other planets, but E.T. phone home aliens) are a proven fact. And a comparison between a completely unsubstantiated claim and 17 official reports from inteligence agencies is "equal" and considered "a wash".
Facts and credibility are important. And it's something Infowards evidently don't care about. They left out the part about the Swedish law, either because of extreme incompetence or incinsarity. More likely the latter, as they never followed up on the story. It is not the privelege of news media to withold crucial facts from their audience. They may attempt to sway their audience perception of the situation, but not by hiding crucial facts. That's not standard practice in mainstream media of most developed nations. But that Infowars seem to be afraid of letting their readers get a hold of crucial facts says a lot about how they view their base. This sounds more like cult-like behaviour than news.
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“Occult Hillary Summons The Dead”; Yes, that would be an accurate way to describe when one is attempting to communicate with the dead in a séance. It is an occult (hidden) practice. There are numerous sources from over the years detailing Hillary’s involvement in new age spiritualist practices. I’ll list one but can provide others http://gawker.com/remember-when-hillary-clinton-maybe-communed-with-dead-1775824084
The Jones quote saying that” "Yeah, so, Sandy Hook is a synthetic completely fake with actors, in my view, manufactured. I couldn’t believe it at first. I knew they had actors there, clearly, but I thought they killed some real kids. And it just shows how bold they are, that they clearly used actors. I mean they even ended up using photos of kids killed in mass shootings here in a fake mass shooting in Turkey -- so yeah, or Pakistan. The sky is now the limit." I was not able to find a video where he stated that, as the media have not only taken him out of context but those like Mr. Maddow of MSNBC, have even gone to the point of lying about what he has said. An example being when she tried to link him to the “Reptillian” nonsense in a video by muting the sound, which in fact he was making fun of the people who had believed in that nonsense and was wearing a lizard mask.
Yup, they decide to finally enact a law that has been around for decades, magically I might add after the influx of refugees and economic migrants from Africa and the middle East. There were also two articles in relation to that matter that were posted on Infowars regarding the removal of the Christmas lights. http://www.infowars.com/sweden-bans-christmas-lights-under-the-guise-of-security/ and http://www.infowars.com/sweden-bans-christmas-street-lights-to-avoid-offending-muslim-migrants/ .
As you can see they provided one of the original articles that had covered the story and then Paul Joseph Watson included an opinion piece as to why he believed that this was in correlation with the influx of Muslim immigrants.
I mean, did you even read the actual article that was posted? Or did you just provide this nonsensical rant about bare minimum journalism and biased? I mean there is a lot of opinion in your lengthy response but not a lot of good context.
I found it highly amusing when you stated that people who listened to his show were easily impressionable. I would state it is the very opposite and that those who get their news sources from corporate controlled media would suite that description much better. People choose sites like Drudge and Infowars because mainstream media sources have become so discredited. Look at the way they constantly take Trump out of context. I’ve seen numerous headlines where it was stated that Trump said Mexican migrants were rapists when in fact he said illegal immigrants coming over the border, a fair majority were drug mules, criminals and rapists.
I have a hard time trusting a country that has politicians declaring that somehow it is worse when a native of the land commits sexual assault on women than when a migrant does it to create a distraction from the fact that the majority of rapes that occur in Sweden are in fact committed by these apparent refugees.
Stating that “the extreme right wants to paint so more situations like the KKK skinheads arming themselves at voting polls in the US to intimidate minorities from coming out to vote, can occur. Is just plain ignorant and stupid.” Those on what they call the rising alternative right are simply for freedom of speech. National sovereignty and maintaining the countries culture. You may want to educate yourself on this background instead of taking points from far-left news sites.
The Daily mail story is not really relevant to the discussion of Infowars being more credible than certain mainstream media websites so I do not have a comment for that
You assumed incorrectly. The cover-ups were in relation to Swedish authorities covering up sexual assaults being committed by migrant gangs (Stockholm music festival is an example). The did this over fears of worsening ethnic tensions, the success of the festival (which is absolutely no excuse) and as released in internal government memos that the incident would help the Swedish Democrats in the polls. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex-assaults-sweden-stockholm-music-festival
You must not have a clear understanding of what even goes on in your own country, let alone the world around you. You keep referring to my news sources and trying to paint them as far right extremism is laudable at best. Reality does not have a political bias but you can keep telling yourself that as you’ve clearly fallen for the whole left-right paradigm.
As for BPA, the studies show clear associations in humans. The types of mice that we use for every other study and drug testing due to their similarity in reactions as humans were proven to support this data. As for Jones stating that it was government plot, I haven’t seen the clip so I cannot comment as articles that linked this go to a source that is nonexistent.
I don’t know if you’ve been living in a hole in the ground but have you not heard of a thing called Wikileaks?Lol. Seriously, maybe you’re getting your news from some wackjob left wing news site (see, I can use ad-hominem as well but there are emails showing collaboration and deception in the media to where even CNN provides one of their pundits who happens to now be the DNC chairman questions prior to a debate. Articles where news outlets talk about squashing stories relating to Clinton and where numerous journalists agreed in private to promote positive stories about said candidate. The majority have not covered the Project Veritas video leaks where it showed those in close relation to the campaign admitting they commit voter fraud and staged and incited violence at Trump rallies. Seriously, do they report news in Sweden? You clearly have the internet so pleading ignorance is unacceptable. I never claimed Infowars to be perfect. I stated that they have become a more reputable source than those news outlets (CNN, Fox, MSNBC). The BS meter weighs heavily on those outlets.
There is also a difference between making a racist and prejudice comment. Google is your friend. It wasn’t just the fact that the judge was Mexican but also his political activism in La Raza. They have continually promoted illegal immigration and put forth nonsensical ideas of Mexico taking back southern states and parts of California. If it’s racist to question a man’s integrity who is handling your case when he is involved in that manner, then I’d be a racist too. It would be like having a judge who is a nazi sympathizer be responsible for determining the outcome in a case pertaining to someone of Jewish decent.
“As for "the lesser of two evils", I'd say the same about the candidate who doesn't retween KKK leaders and is now officially endorsed by them, wants to remove all restrictions on mining, drilling and fracking, shut down the Environmental Protection Agency, and says they won't rule out nuking Europe. But that's another discussion.”
A woman who threatens and intimidates her husband’s sexual abuse victims, who praises an actual former KKK member Robert Byrd and is an apologist for him, a woman who praised Margaret sanger who referred to blacks as animals, a woman who stated that black youth livening in these impoverished neighborhoods who resort to crime are “Super Predators” who need to bend the heel and a woman who is basically threatening a war with Russia, which would result in nukes is far worse than the inaccurate description you gave of Trump. Seriously, nuking Europe? Where do you get your info from?
You’re just as bad as the media. A witch who summons demons? Common. There are Clinton insiders who over the years such as Larry Nichols who have stated that Hillary was into withcraft. This is the same person who spoke out about Bill’s infidelities in the early 90’s prior to it eventually coming to the limelight.
The 17 intelligent agencies was another Clinton exaggeration/lie. As reported in National review:
“Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) – have weighed in on this issue, not 17 intelligence agencies. And what they said was ambiguous about Russian involvement. An unclassified October 7, 2016 joint DNI-DHS statement on this issue said the hacks . . . are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow — the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europa and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.”Saying we think the hacks “are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts” is far short of saying we have evidence that Russia has been responsible for the hacks. Maybe high-level officials would have authorized them if Russian hackers were responsible, but the DNI and DHS statement did NOT say there was evidence Russia was responsible
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/441266/hillary-clinton-democratic-emails-hacked-russia
Your final summary was incorrect and flawed due to the errors that I have pointed out to you in my response. If you’re going to attempt to make a long-winded retort, please ensure that you have all your “facts” in order as your assumption about migrant gangs and Swedish law was inaccurate . You claim Infowars attempts to sway audience perception while completely ignoring the blatent tactics that the mainstream media have been doing, and you quote the biggest liar in politics (Clinton) who was immediately debunked after her 17 agencies comment. I’m not sure where you receive your “news” from but given the sheep like mentality, I would suggest looking elsewhere.