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Captain_Yuri said:
Alkibiádēs said:

Did the Vita have mainline Dragon Quest games? Monster Hunter? Yokai Watch? I don't think so...

Did those sell like call of duty or gta outside of Japan? I dont think so...

All these franchises sold decent in the West, showing signs of growth in the future. Obviously not CoD or GTA levels, but if we're going to hold every game to that standard 99% of the game developers should just give up.



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What really needs to happen with Switch is Nintendo consolidating their software output to one platform rather than two. Nintendo needs to get what Sony and Microsoft have: one singular platform.



Alkibiádēs said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Did those sell like call of duty or gta outside of Japan? I dont think so...

All these franchises sold decent in the West, showing signs of growth in the future. Obviously not CoD or GTA levels, but if we're going to hold every game to that standard 99% of the game developers should just give up.

"Decent" 

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=Monster+Hunter

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=yokai+watch

I wouldn't call that decent when I compare to big western third party games...

You do realize that many western third party games sell huge numbers?

Call of Duty, GTA, Red Dead Redemption, Mass Effect, Battlefield, Tomb Raider, AssCreed, Watchdogs, Fallout, Skyrim and the list goes on. Its those kinds of games that people are worried about... And while they don't all make Call of Duty numbers, they far exceed both MH and YW and most other Japanese ones in the west



                  

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Switch's 3rd party support will be much like 3DS I think. Nintendo says it's a home console, but we all know it's a decent spec handheld tablet with HDMI output. Nintendo, Level 5, Capcom, Square Enix, Atlus, Sega, Konami, etc. should have no problem making the switch as successful as the 3DS if not more successful. We'll get a sprinkle of Bethesda or 2k, etc but they won't get serious about Switch unless it is a massive success. I don't think switch will be a massive success but I think it'll perform similarly/slightly better than the 3DS.



Captain_Yuri said:
Alkibiádēs said:

All these franchises sold decent in the West, showing signs of growth in the future. Obviously not CoD or GTA levels, but if we're going to hold every game to that standard 99% of the game developers should just give up.

"Decent" 

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=Monster+Hunter

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=yokai+watch

I wouldn't call that decent when I compare to big western third party games...

You do realize that many western third party games sell huge numbers?

Call of Duty, GTA, Red Dead Redemption, Mass Effect, Battlefield, Tomb Raider, AssCreed, Watchdogs, Fallout, Skyrim and the list goes on. Its those kinds of games that people are worried about...

I'll use OFFICIAL sales date that Nintendo gave us instead of Vgchartz that is incorrect most of the time...

How do those western third party games sell if we take out their biggest market? Right... It's complete nonsense to ignore Japan. The world doesn't revolve around you Americans you know.



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Alkibiádēs said:
Captain_Yuri said:

"Decent" 

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=Monster+Hunter

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=yokai+watch

I wouldn't call that decent when I compare to big western third party games...

You do realize that many western third party games sell huge numbers?

Call of Duty, GTA, Red Dead Redemption, Mass Effect, Battlefield, Tomb Raider, AssCreed, Watchdogs, Fallout, Skyrim and the list goes on. Its those kinds of games that people are worried about...

I'll use OFFICIAL sales date that Nintendo gave us instead of Vgchartz that is incorrect most of the time...

How do those western third party games sell if we take out their biggest market? Right... It's complete nonsense to ignore Japan. The world doesn't revolve around you Americans you know.

And you think the world revolves around Japan? Those western games cover 2 continents, NA and EU where as Japan only covers Japan. And sure, use official numbers but considering MH never sold well outside of Japan even with official numbers, I doubt its going to change very much.

And I am not ignoring Japan, you are ignoring everyone else. I have said that Japanese third party isn't the problem, western third party is...



                  

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Alkibiádēs said:
vivster said:

This.

If it wants to be successful it needs to capture an audience that's not already buying everything Nintendo. Having a console that runs every 3rd party game would be a start, but we can cross that off our list already.

Having a home console Pokémon could do that. The hardware boost between the 3DS and the Switch is probably the biggest leap since handheld gaming started. Don't underestimate this. A lot of people, including non-Nintendo fans, are waiting for a home console experience Pokémon game... And before you say the Switch isn't powerful enough to give us that feel: I'll just direct you to Breath of the Wild.

Why would it not be powerful enough to run Pokemon? That shit runs on a toaster. But I predict that the Pokemon on Switch will not be what people wanted. It will basically the same as the 3DS games just blown up on a bigger screen.



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Captain_Yuri said:
Alkibiádēs said:

I'll use OFFICIAL sales date that Nintendo gave us instead of Vgchartz that is incorrect most of the time...

How do those western third party games sell if we take out their biggest market? Right... It's complete nonsense to ignore Japan. The world doesn't revolve around you Americans you know.

And you think the world revolves around Japan? Those western games cover 2 continents, NA and EU where as Japan only covers Japan. And sure, use official numbers but considering MH never sold well outside of Japan even with official numbers, I doubt its going to change very much.

And I am not ignoring Japan, you are ignoring everyone else. I have said that Japanese third party isn't the problem, western third party is...

https://www.vg247.com/2015/10/21/monster-hunter-4-ultimate-4-million-sales/

I said that Western third party isn't as important because of the hybrid nature of the console (and Nintendo's unified development teams, making them much more efficient). And I stand by it. Obviously the more support the better, but the Switch won't have droughts like the Wii U and 3DS had. If the Switch sells well, there will always be some third party support at least.

And indie games are becoming more popular and Nintendo can definitely count on the support of Western indie developers. Just look at Yooka-Laylee, Shantae; Half Genie Hero, Shovel Knight, Fast Racing Neo (even got a retail release in Europe), Minecraft, Terraria, etc.



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vivster said:
Alkibiádēs said:

Having a home console Pokémon could do that. The hardware boost between the 3DS and the Switch is probably the biggest leap since handheld gaming started. Don't underestimate this. A lot of people, including non-Nintendo fans, are waiting for a home console experience Pokémon game... And before you say the Switch isn't powerful enough to give us that feel: I'll just direct you to Breath of the Wild.

Why would it not be powerful enough to run Pokemon? That shit runs on a toaster. But I predict that the Pokemon on Switch will not be what people wanted. It will basically the same as the 3DS games just blown up on a bigger screen.

I mean a big Pokémon game like Breath of the Wild...

Look at the MASSIVE difference between X/Y and Sun & Moon... And that's on the same handheld. Pokémon will continue to evolve and become more immersive in the process.



"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Thoukydides

Alkibiádēs said:
vivster said:

Why would it not be powerful enough to run Pokemon? That shit runs on a toaster. But I predict that the Pokemon on Switch will not be what people wanted. It will basically the same as the 3DS games just blown up on a bigger screen.

I mean a big Pokémon game like Breath of the Wild...

Look at the MASSIVE difference between X/Y and Sun & Moon... And that's on the same handheld. Pokémon will continue to evolve and become more immersive in the process.

If you call that difference massive then I feel even more confident in my prediction.



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