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Wright said:

So what's your estimate for NX hardware sales, then?

How about:  "I think Nintendo will have 95% of the under-14 yo market"

Nintendo need to differentiate from XB and PS.



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OneTime said:

How about:  "I think Nintendo will have 95% of the under-14 yo market"

Nintendo need to differentiate from XB and PS.

That's really not a valid point. They aren't focusing on a kid's market, otherwise how would you explain games like Devil's Third, Bayonetta 2 and such on WiiU's catalogue, not to mention the 3DS games that are for over 14 year olds?

No, they're getting beaten at the market dominance because they fail to get third parties. If Nintendo could press a button and get Red Dead Redemption 2 and Manhunt 3 on their console, they would press it. They don't care about under-14 year olds in that sense, because business is business. They're just getting abandoned by third parties again, which will make them lose sales.

Besides, the main age of gamers was 32 if I remember correctly from some articles. Neglecting the biggest source of consumers when going for a market is a terrible idea, no matter how much you want to differentiate yourself.



Bandorr said:
superchunk said:
I don't think you can count NX out just yet. Why would rockstar have the announcement of the new game today and then hold off on the trailer until this Thursday at 11AM EST? Why does that make sense?

One way it could make sense is if Nintendo is going to have its NintendoDirect at 7PST/10EST and end it with Rockstar's trailer.

Why would they announce "Playstation and Xbox" now - then have to change it later?

Why would they announce the game today - if they have to change it later?

If they wanted to end it with Rockstar's trailer - why not just delay the announcement?

The only way that makes sense is if they gain something by announcing it today - which they don't.

Any announcement creates buzz and publicity. The game is a year away, hell why announce it at all this far out? Just speculating here, it of course is very likely to not have an NX future as Rockstar hasn't put its biggest on Nintendo hardware as a rule.



fleischr said:
Roketan said:

As many of you are already aware Red Dead Redemption 2 got announced for PS4 and Xbone. No NX version. Some of you may say that Rockstar is waiting for NX to announce the game on the platform. Don't do this to yourselves people. If Square has no problem announcing DQ10 and DQ11 for NX ( and Nintendo announcing the next Zelda for NX) than Rockstar could do the same or wait some days for Nintendo to reveal the system and announce it along with. RDR2 for NX is not happening. NX may get a port some years after but... who knows if it will be relevant

Now the question is this. NX already lost one of the most high profile games this gen. What does this mean for the system. In my opinion, it doesn't paint a good picture for the system...

It's not even one goddamn day since RDR2 has been announced, the NX hasn't even been revealed, and here you are with this... doom.

Were the PS4/X1 versions announced when GTA5 first launched? Answer: No they weren't. And did we doom third party support for PS4/X1 while no GTA5 announced for those consoles? No.

Typically when we saw games not come to WiiU - the publisher addressed the reasoning (e.g. no market, not enough time, not technically possible). No such statements are yet made of the NX or for any game.

Bottom line:  Just as it is too early too assume RDR2 is coming to NX, It's too early to write the possibility off. A lot can happen between now and when RDR2 finally launches at least a year from now.

GTAV Release date: Sept 17, 2013
PS4 Release date: November 13, 2013

So the PS4 released after the release of GTA V.  Now on the other hand, what are the odds that RDR2 releases before the NX? Unless something goes horrifically wrong with the production of the NX - about 0%.

On top of that, R* hinted that a PS4/X1 release was immient before GTA V was out for PS3/X360. No one was surprised when it was announced for PS4/X1.So that means the NX will be out on the market, meaning R* will undeniably have full access to any type of development tools to port the game if they so choose, and as far as we know right now, R* is choosing not to use those tools to bring the game to that platform before it comes out on PS4 or X1, the same way they chose not to bring GTA V to Wii U.



it means almost nothing at this point.

A) Red Dead Redemption 2 probably has been in development for quite a while, before the NX was even solidly figured out spec wise or anything

 

and B) for all we know it could end up on NX and just isn't confirmed now

Nintendo has a tendency to pick and choose third party developers to work closer to and share more information with. 

 

bear in mind that some third party developers may not even be ALLOWED to announce games for an unannounced system. If Nintendo hasn't even released info on the NX basically at all, then why do you think anything on the platform would be allowed to be announced in advance? it makes zero sense

now obviously I wouldn't be suprised if Red Dead wasn't on the NX simply due to the last iteration not being on Nintendo platforms and it being Rockstar. But RDR2 not being announced for the NX atm is sort of irrelevant because there is no way in hell that Nintendo has given any third party publishers permission to announce games for a system that they themselves have not announced officially 



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Wright said:
OneTime said:

How about:  "I think Nintendo will have 95% of the under-14 yo market"

Nintendo need to differentiate from XB and PS.

That's really not a valid point. They aren't focusing on a kid's market, otherwise how would you explain games like Devil's Third, Bayonetta 2 and such on WiiU's catalogue, not to mention the 3DS games that are for over 14 year olds?

No, they're getting beaten at the market dominance because they fail to get third parties. If Nintendo could press a button and get Red Dead Redemption 2 and Manhunt 3 on their console, they would press it. They don't care about under-14 year olds in that sense, because business is business. They're just getting abandoned by third parties again, which will make them lose sales.

Besides, the main age of gamers was 32 if I remember correctly from some articles. Neglecting the biggest source of consumers when going for a market is a terrible idea, no matter how much you want to differentiate yourself.

 

Sure it's valid:  why should Nintendo try to fight for the same customers and games as Microsoft and Playstation when they have a steady stream of parents buying stuff for kids? 

Or another way:  This site shows that it isn't possible to convince a PS4 user to buy an XB1, so how would they convince a PS4 user to buy an NX?



Red Dead Redemption was never on Nintendo consoles, iirc so why would it change now?



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OneTime said:

Sure it's valid:  why should Nintendo try to fight for the same customers and games as Microsoft and Playstation when they have a steady stream of parents buying stuff for kids? 

Or another way:  This site shows that it isn't possible to convince a PS4 user to buy an XB1, so how would they convince a PS4 user to buy an NX?

Your big mistake is extrapolating how this site works to how the actual consumer market works.



BasilZero said:
It means nothing.

World of FF, DQ Builders and KH 2.8 isnt on Xbox One and that doesnt make Xbox One have bad third party support.


Its basically too early to say NX will have Good or bad third party support. You'll find the answer when the system actually comes out and has at least 2-3 years of its life go by.

i hear what you're saying but you cant compare RDR2 to spinoffs and remasters. Not to mention that Xbox is getting the main games in the series anyway (except DQ)