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Qwark said:

That moment when a vote for DeezNUTZ is more defensible than a vote for either the Republican nominee or the Democratic nominee. Can't Barrack Obama stay president for four more years. Hell I would love to see Michelle take the office, a white woman leader is nothing to brag about in the Western world. A black woman on the other hand would be a first ever. Anyway not voting or voting for a candidate that isn't Hillary or Trump is best defendable.

There are black women leaders in the west. In fact, one ran my country and fucked the economy into the ground. When will the woman hype die?



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SuaveSocialist said:
Mystro-Sama said:
Did you not read Hillary's emails that were leaked?

Did you not read the OP and all supporting links?

So do you think that "A vote for Clinton is defendable?" after all those emails and then some?



shikamaru317 said:
Of course voting for Trump is ok, considering Hilary is as bad or worse than he is. This election is awful though, somehow the worst possible candidates managed to get through the primaries.

Thank you.  Several have already voiced this, and it cannot be any truer.



SuaveSocialist said:
Mystro-Sama said:
Did you not read Hillary's emails that were leaked?

Did you not read the OP and all supporting links?

I did actually and its clear to me you're on the Trump hate bandwagon when Hillary at this point has committed crimes against humanity with her raping Haiti, arming ISIS and using her charity to take bribes along with other inexcusable offences yet a vote for Trump is "indefensible". LOL.



Mystro-Sama said:
SuaveSocialist said:

Did you not read the OP and all supporting links?

I did actually

Then you've seen precisely why your list of grievances is nothing but an unusually underwhelming case of the false equivalence fallacy. 



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CGI-Quality said:
I'm seeing a few posts with name calling in them (direct and indirect). Lets not do that, people.

But what if you do feel that a statement/person is being closed-minded and/or intolerant?  In my case it was pointed out because those who judge need to judge themselves first before passing judgement.  It's to point out hypocricy/irony.  Sometime this is part of the debate/discussion when one throws the first stone.  Otherwise, when it's not allowed is as effective as "shutting" down one's view point.



LivingMetal said:
SuaveSocialist said:

Did you not read the OP and all supporting links?

So do you think that "A vote for Clinton is defendable?" after all those emails and then some?

REPOST: "With Trump objectively worse by a substantial margin, a vote for Hillary has strategic value even though she's a lousy candidate herself.  A vote for Trump (the worst Presidential candidate out of the current four and probably the worst Presidential candidate in American history) cannot even claim this--with three better options to cast a ballot, one for Trump is indefensible."

REPOST from OP: "Whatever minutiae had convinced you to entertain even the possibility of casting a ballot for Trump is objectively overshadowed by mountains of documented reasons to cast one for somebody else.  Even if you cannot bring yourself to vote for one of the alternatives, or even two, there is still a third.  Trump is up against Hillary Clinton, Jill Stein and Gary Johnson--there's more to the race than two people. 

Now you know it as I know it.  It may hurt.  You may experience grief, and the first stage of grief is denial.  You may try to put on a tinfoil hat and/or conjure up some rationalization out of an irrational aether to justify voting for him, but it won't work.  It'll rely too heavily on False Equivalence Fallcies, Strawmen, Red Herrings and attempts to Move the Goalposts.  A vote for Trump is indefensible."

EDIT: To clarify, if a vote for Hillary is indefensible, so is a vote for Trump due to a lot more plentiful and serious reasons. 



At this point, people who can't bring themselves to vote for Hillary should probably just sit out the presidential vote and just focus on House, Senate and state ballots. End of the day the party that controls congress sets the legislative agenda, and the party that controls the Senate approves SC nominations.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

SuaveSocialist said:
LivingMetal said:

So do you think that "A vote for Clinton is defendable?" after all those emails and then some?

REPOST: "With Trump objectively worse by a substantial margin, a vote for Hillary has strategic value even though she's a lousy candidate herself.  A vote for Trump (the worst Presidential candidate out of the current four and probably the worst Presidential candidate in American history) cannot even claim this--with three better options to cast a ballot, one for Trump is indefensible."

REPOST from OP: "Whatever minutiae had convinced you to entertain even the possibility of casting a ballot for Trump is objectively overshadowed by mountains of documented reasons to cast one for somebody else.  Even if you cannot bring yourself to vote for one of the alternatives, or even two, there is still a third.  Trump is up against Hillary Clinton, Jill Stein and Gary Johnson--there's more to the race than two people. 

Now you know it as I know it.  It may hurt.  You may experience grief, and the first stage of grief is denial.  You may try to put on a tinfoil hat and/or conjure up some rationalization out of an irrational aether to justify voting for him, but it won't work.  It'll rely too heavily on False Equivalence Fallcies, Strawmen, Red Herrings and attempts to Move the Goalposts.  A vote for Trump is indefensible."

You making this accusation is all you.  This is coming from you and you alone.  You're the one wearing a tinfoil hat by accusing me of wearing one.  I didn't judge you, but you took that route, not I.  See.  Your preconception leads to false assumptions thus discrediting your reasoning.



People will vote for Trump (and not care for him one bit) the same way people will vote for Hillary (and not care for her one bit) - it is about the party and Left v. Right and the Supreme Court, etc. People are willing to ignore the terrible candidate for the supposedly greater good of their party.