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Bodhesatva said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Bodhesatva said:
Are you suggesting that MK should take the advice of internet forum folks? That's almost always trouble, WoW. That's exactly how things become niche. Don't listen to the ardent followers of a genre unless you are absolutely willing to go down the niche path.

These series are no longer as popular as they used to be. Their followings have dwindled over the years as they've fallen into neglect. These companies can either make games akin to the originals or games that are different. If the games are too different, then the companies can't even cash on what little following their franchises have. Even worse, the people most likely to talk about the games in the media mainstream are the ones who will remember the originals and they'll be the ones most disappointed. Disappointment will lead to bad reviews. You'll see a lot more of "Why did they change XYZ?" and "They should have stuck with ABC."

If these companies want to reinvent the wheel, they're better off starting with a new IP so as to avoid the negative publicity backlash.


This gets back to the edit I made to the first post you replied to. I'll quote that here. 

I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, by the way. Here's the central question: is it better to play it safe and milk something like Tekken, knowing it will be a dead property in 5-10 years? Or is it better to risk alienating the remaining core fans in attempt to revitalize a dying genre? There isn't a correct answer to that one until we're 10 years down the road and can look back and see. 

 

This central question can be applied to practically anything on Wii, by the way. Which is better, to stay with the safe shooters/fighters/RPG/action games that these companies have been churning out for decades now, with the same type of controller and gameplay style, or take a risk with something new on the Wii? Again, I'm not sure there is a right answer here. While the Wii is riskier, it's clear that the rewards are higher, as Nintendo continues to embarass the rest of the industry by making more profit than everyone combined, thrice over. But you don't necessarily achieve what Nintendo does; you can fall flat on your face instead.  By contrast, the older, more traditional styles of games have seen profits shrink and shrink for years now (this isn't just true of fighting games, but especially so there), but at the same time, these smaller profits are safe. You can depend on them. Companies know how to make these games good, and they can expect to reap the rewards of it. 

Take your pick.  


I don't reread posts so I didn't know you edited anything. 

If you have something new to say, you should make a new post.

The problem with your belief is that you assume franchises are dying on their own.  Are franchises dying because they don't have games being made for them or are games not being made for them because they're dying?  I think it could be argued either way.



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Actually, you should reread. I certainly do. That's part of being a knowledgable poster. That's why the edit button is there, after all.

To your main point, obviously both are true. But if you're suggesting that Fighting Games are dying simply because it's stopped recieving support, that's foolish. The games that made the genre huge are all still around; Street Fighter, Tekken, Virtua Fighter, Guilty Gear, Soul Calibur, Mortal Kombat, King of Fighters. All still in production, with high production values.

Clearly, the interest in this genre has declined. Dramatically, at that. In this particular instance, pinning the decline of the genre on decreased publisher support doesn't make sense when practically every major series in the genre's history is still seeing new iterations.

I'm not even sure I understand what we're arguing about here. We do agree that traditional fighting games are a dying genre, yes? They've been in decline for a decade now, and that decline has been consistent and dramatic, with every major series in the entire genre going slowly but surely downhill during that time frame, with most selling 1/4 what they did in the early to mid 90s. Is this something you're seriously contesting? People don't like this sorts of games as much anymore. 



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Yeah, zipped that up ASAP. Nothing to see there, move along.



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Bodhesatva said:
Yeah, zipped that up ASAP. Nothing to see there, move along.

Not before the spammer got 8 posts...



Words Of Wisdom said:
Bodhesatva said:
Yeah, zipped that up ASAP. Nothing to see there, move along.

Not before the spammer got 8 posts...


 ASAP for me is "too long." I'm... not a very good mod. I'm a poster first. Please remember that, actually, as I was very wary of taking this position because I was afraid people would stop discussing things with me for fear of the banhammer. I appreciate these sorts of conversations, WoW. 



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Bodhesatva said:

Actually, you should reread. I certainly do. That's part of being a knowledgable poster. That's why the edit button is there, after all.

To your main point, obviously both are true. But if you're suggesting that Fighting Games are dying simply because it's stopped recieving support, that's foolish. The games that made the genre huge are all still around; Street Fighter, Tekken, Virtua Fighter, Guilty Gear, Soul Calibur, Mortal Kombat, King of Fighters. All still in production, with high production values.

Clearly, the interest in this genre has declined. Dramatically, at that. In this particular instance, pinning the decline of the genre on decreased publisher support doesn't make sense when practically every major series in the genre's history is still seeing new iterations.

I'm not even sure I understand what we're arguing about here. We do agree that traditional fighting games are a dying genre, yes? They've been in decline for a decade now, and that decline has been consistent and dramatic, with every major series in the entire genre going slowly but surely downhill during that time frame, with most selling 1/4 what they did in the early to mid 90s. Is this something you're seriously contesting? People don't like this sorts of games as much anymore. 


Eh, I look at the edit button more for fixing grammar/spelling errors.  If I want to change or add new ideas, I make a new post.  Especially if someone has already replied to my post.

The problem with saying it has declined is that there are PS and PS2 Mortal Kombat games that outsold their SNES counterparts (if not the Genesis in the case of the PS2) for example.  These genres aren't booming, but they're far from dead.



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