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Can't you just connect it through optical port? Pretty sure that would be easier.



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irstupid said:
Teeqoz said:

Just wait until 21:9 (or 7:3 if you want) becomes the new aspect ratio standard (in my dreams at least).

What I don't get is this IMAX stuff.

I've been to movies that have imax sections, like BvS. To me it looks like all it does is remove the bottom and top black bar and have that also showing stuff.

So why don't they just all switch to "imax" format and use the whole freakin screen.

I'm sure the ratio isn't the same exactly, but still, why make movies in a different size than TV's size. And no, don't just ZOOM in and have less stuff on the edges, but just add stuff above and below. Makes no sense. 

That's cause they're doing it wrong. Before all this digital nonesense, movie theaters blanked the sides of the screen, keeping the height constant, as tall as possible. For 2.35:1 movies a different lens would switch before the camera, the curtains opened wider, and you get an amazing full wide view. Nowadays they add black bars top and bottom ugh. Theaters used to be a lot wider, modern theaters are more box size.

Good ones still exist, IMAX sections would like pretty silly on that.
Except the hateful eight, was shot on 65mm with rare anamorphic lenses to make it 2.76:1


IMAX normally doesn't do anamorphic lenses, just a giant screen at 1.43:1 ratio, and at home we get 1.85:1, neither fits. I'm guess the IMAX parts are zoomed in to fill out the sides.



irstupid said:
Slimebeast said:

How much? Can you get one under $2000 lol?

$2,500 is what you'll be paying for the 55"

That's what I just got.

Haven't got to try out any 4k content and what not yet. Only hooked up to PS3/Wii U and antenna tv. Antenna tv only comes in at 1080i, and ps3 plays me blu rays. Gonna see what Black Friday has for 4k player 

But just on what I'm watching, it already is much better than my other 65" 4k tv that is not OLED. But there has been one major wow moment for me, so far. Just watching movies, the first thing was the black bars on top and bottom. They are completely OFF. When they say the blacks are black, meaning the lights actually turn off, they are not kidding. I always hated, still do, that movies are not the same size as tv screen's. You know you have that bar on top and bottom. But with OLED, the bar is completely black, you don't notice it at all. It's like your tv got shorter. On all other tv's the black is just a super super super super dark black, you can still tell there is tv screen there. This it's like the same color as teh black trim of the tv.

Then when scenes go pitch black was a real wow moment. It was like I turned my tv completely off. It was completely black. Not the as I said black, but you can still tell tv is on. It was completely black. With non OLED, the directv could be off and thus the screen black, and no lights on the house, yet you could still walk around and somewhat see cause teh black wasn't really black. It gave off a faint light. Not in this case. THe TV might as well be off, it's so black. 

Or here, go to 5:02 or so and look at the non-halo effect of OLED. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ogjW7NLD8w

Just small tings that I never cared about before, that just impress me so much seeing. But even in just the first few seconds of the video, you can tell on wahtever monitor your watching how much better the colors look on the LG tv on the right. It makes that cloud scene just look so majestic. Watching the rest of this video, they bring up some Judder issue. I've never experienced it yet, but as I said i only watch movies and tv shows. Games I've played on it so far has only been Captain Toad's Treasure Tracker.  Hardly a pressing game for testing anything. 

DonFerrari said:

kkkk you silly. But if you have capable home theather you don't need this workaround.

Yea I figured if you have 4k ready devices, TV, AV and what not it would be just plug and play.

Just find it funny reading those directions. Made me go "wait what?" like four times. 

But as someone said, it won't be limitless audio, it will be compressed, downgraded, wahtever you want to say. But seeing as how the Pro can only do streaming 4k content anyway, it not like your getting perfect video either, so whatever. 

I hear the One S doesn't have the greatest Audio, or limitless audio either. 

Hahahaha I loved the darker black on my Plasma TV, but since our eyes is more eye sensitive than dark sensitive I preffer the brighter than the darker, and vivid color (which OLED have, more vivid, greater contrast, but not good brightness).

And how are you supposed to really see the effects of 4k HDR of OLED versus LED on a 1080p non HDR LED? It makes no sense, this is just marketing BS. You don't have the screen to see the differences on the upper hand, you can only see how worse it would look in a worse screen.

Yeah, AV sometimes is funny... my Onkyo and before the Sony Muteki had ARC so I would plug the TV out of the AV on the ARC entry of the TV, and would also have the optical going to be sure... But even so most of my equipment is entring through the AV, if my Onkyo doesn't support the HDR then I'll just hook up my PS4Pro to the TV and use the arc to have feedback to the AV. I'm more video enthusiast than sound enthusiast even though I have 7.1 for like 5 years.

TheBlackNaruto said:
Slimebeast said:

Cool. Could you link to one of the LGs you have your eyes on?

I was looking at this one http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-55-class-54-6-diag--oled-2160p-smart-4k-ultra-hd-tv-with-high-dynamic-range-silver/5252800.p?skuId=5252800

And ths one http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-55-class-54-6-diag--oled-2160p-smart-3d-4k-ultra-hd-tv-with-high-dynamic-range-black/5010100.p?skuId=5010100

But I want the 65in which is around $3999 right now.

DonFerrari said:

Errrr I can say that the OLED we had in Brazil were like 1080p OLED for the price of 4k LED. And the features on the OLED were subpar to LED models so I didn't buy, besides LG usually delivering a lower quality product.

Really? Well that sucks, but with the two TVs that I was looking at from LG they were very good quality TVs even compared to Sony and Samsung. Just looking at picture quality though it was like the OLED TV looked better than botht he Sony and the Samsung and I had the Samsung 4k TV and returned it because it shut off and would not come back on after only 1 month.....it was crazy I think it was part of the j7 series.

Lower quality not on the image quality, but building and reliability. In Brazil Sony is still the top dog on quality and LG the subpar of the 3, and Samsung delivers a good price, good quality in between.

And when both Sony and Samsung that are better quality than LG back out of OLED market because of reliability and cost (versus benefit) you can see something is not up there.

But yes, even Sony and Samsung will have defectives products. My 46"1080p that was midrange when I got it after 6 months started turning off and on around 11am... I thought it was a sleeper function programation problem... warranty had to change the whole panel and then another stop to change the power supply, after that I'm using it for almost 5 years without issue.

I can accept poorer manufacturing quality in exchange for better image (after all I bought Panasonic Viera Plasma, which had a very much better image quality compared to LCD at the time) but it must cost less or comparable to the better manufacturing and marginally worse image. I can't justify paying double for the TV for marginal image quality gain but loss on reliability, in fact I would have been much happier if I had paid 1-1,5k for my 4K, but on Brazil that would be impossible for the next 3 years on 65'' on my guess (unless I would buy 4000 series on Samsung, that is almost faux 4k).

SvennoJ said:
Slimebeast said:

$4000 lol

But I want that so bad, the 65 inch. The LG OLED is the best TV on the market. Finally videophile quality is affordable, almost lol

Nothing is perfect yet the E6 comes very close. Burn in is not much of a concern anymore, image retention still happens.
http://televisions.reviewed.com/features/what-to-know-about-oled-screen-burn-in-problems-causes-image-retention

It's also not as bright in HDR, best viewed in a darker environment
http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/e6

Anyway the 65" E6 is $8000 here lol. Plus I'm used to a 92" projector screen, going down below 85" not really worth that much to me.
I'll just dream of this for a bit longer http://www.sonypremiumhome.com/projectors/VPL-VW5000ES.php
Perhaps I should move the couch halfway forward and save a lot of money :/

Nothing is perfect indeed, but when the work is poor it can get worse.

And yes, since brigthness is lower you may think if you preffer deeper blacks or brighter images, since I can't view in total black I preffer color and lux =p

I would love the projector you put, but it will probably have the worse black on the discussion and even wouldn't have the best brightness, but certainly would be gorgeous... I bought a 1080p Optima projector, the damn thing was gorgeous on 200"



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

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Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
SvennoJ said:

Nothing is perfect yet the E6 comes very close. Burn in is not much of a concern anymore, image retention still happens.
http://televisions.reviewed.com/features/what-to-know-about-oled-screen-burn-in-problems-causes-image-retention

It's also not as bright in HDR, best viewed in a darker environment
http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/e6

Anyway the 65" E6 is $8000 here lol. Plus I'm used to a 92" projector screen, going down below 85" not really worth that much to me.
I'll just dream of this for a bit longer http://www.sonypremiumhome.com/projectors/VPL-VW5000ES.php
Perhaps I should move the couch halfway forward and save a lot of money :/

Nothing is perfect indeed, but when the work is poor it can get worse.

And yes, since brigthness is lower you may think if you preffer deeper blacks or brighter images, since I can't view in total black I preffer color and lux =p

I would love the projector you put, but it will probably have the worse black on the discussion and even wouldn't have the best brightness, but certainly would be gorgeous... I bought a 1080p Optima projector, the damn thing was gorgeous on 200"

The beauty of that projector is that it is a laser projector, perfect blacks. 5000 lumens is also very bright. Normal home theater projectors are in the 2000 lumen range. You need dark walls etc though, light reflecting back on the screen is what kills the blacks in high contrast scenes.

The E6 has 129 nits max brightness for a full screen, that would be comparable to using a 131" screen with that projector.
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Sony-VPL-VW5000ES-projection-calculator-pro.htm (129cdm is 38fL)
The TV can boost it for smaller portions though (are rather not limit it to protect the tv) to 650 cmd, 189fL -> 58" screen on that projector

OLED is probably still prettier side by side. Hard to choose between immersion (bigger screen) and picture quality (OLED)
Can't afford either right now, 8K for 65" Oled, 10k for 4K LCD projector or 60k for a laser projector ugh.



SvennoJ said:
DonFerrari said:

Nothing is perfect indeed, but when the work is poor it can get worse.

And yes, since brigthness is lower you may think if you preffer deeper blacks or brighter images, since I can't view in total black I preffer color and lux =p

I would love the projector you put, but it will probably have the worse black on the discussion and even wouldn't have the best brightness, but certainly would be gorgeous... I bought a 1080p Optima projector, the damn thing was gorgeous on 200"

The beauty of that projector is that it is a laser projector, perfect blacks. 5000 lumens is also very bright. Normal home theater projectors are in the 2000 lumen range. You need dark walls etc though, light reflecting back on the screen is what kills the blacks in high contrast scenes.

The E6 has 129 nits max brightness for a full screen, that would be comparable to using a 131" screen with that projector.
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Sony-VPL-VW5000ES-projection-calculator-pro.htm (129cdm is 38fL)
The TV can boost it for smaller portions though (are rather not limit it to protect the tv) to 650 cmd, 189fL -> 58" screen on that projector

OLED is probably still prettier side by side. Hard to choose between immersion (bigger screen) and picture quality (OLED)
Can't afford either right now, 8K for 65" Oled, 10k for 4K LCD projector or 60k for a laser projector ugh.

Well if blacks are black and bright is right it is basically perfect and would love to see it =p

I love graphics but I don't think that would be more important than what the game designers make.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:

Well if blacks are black and bright is right it is basically perfect and would love to see it =p

I love graphics but I don't think that would be more important than what the game designers make.

True, hence PSVR will be what I end up with. Worst picture quality, but sounds like the most fun to me.
No HDR, half 1080p, 8 bit, horrible :)



SvennoJ said:
DonFerrari said:

Well if blacks are black and bright is right it is basically perfect and would love to see it =p

I love graphics but I don't think that would be more important than what the game designers make.

True, hence PSVR will be what I end up with. Worst picture quality, but sounds like the most fun to me.
No HDR, half 1080p, 8 bit, horrible :)

How cruel on our eyes... take my money



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."