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DonFerrari said:
Pemalite said:

The PS4 will be backing HDR-10 and will not be supporting Dolby Vision HDR, this seems to be an industry wide thing at the moment.

Dolby Vision is obviously superior with a higher baseline in many aspects, for example 12bit colour rather than 10bit with HDR10.. Which means better colour gradients, less colour banding, Dolby is also more dynamic in that colour and brightness levels can be adjusted for every scene, where as HDR10 takes a more compromised approach.

As for how much you are loosing? Well. You don't really loose anything.
If you are happy with your picture now with non-HDR content, then you will also be happy with either HDR10 or Dolby Vision as both offer a marked improvement.
If your TV only supports HDR10(Which from a quick glance it does) then I wouldn't rush out and buy a new set with Dolby Vision support anyway, especially considering that Dolby Vision may be the next HD DVD.

In a few years, expect to see the successor to HDR10, aka. "HDR12" which should bring HDR10 in-line with Dolby Vision.

Thanks... so from a laid man approach I would say the investment of 400 on PS4Pro on the set I have will have real benefits right? (and I want to buy PSVR anyway, so it will be a better experience with Pro than normal)... I was wanting to buy a desktop to watch 4k movies, but both notebooks and desktops capable of at least processing 4k videos (not even play 4k games) are still very expensive in Brazil (we don't have outlets selling 4k discs here).

Yep. You will see some real benefits. :)

As for 4k movies, I wouldn't advise going to the PC route unless you are an enthusiast, 4k Blu-rays is a really messy situation at the moment untill all the various companies pull their fingers out.

You would be better served getting an Xbox One S once it goes on sale, it's simple and more elegent.

eva01beserk said:

Yep, im exited. Good enough for me. 

Although that means Im about to spend like $1200 for gaming. Does that make me an enthusiast? :p

I don't think being an Enthusiast is defined by how much cash you throw at something, but how active/interested you are in a particular topic. :)




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Zoombael said:
DonFerrari said:

Someone that is a layman but also can lay back with a woman... and also laid back (someone that won't do the hassle of research so he asks)

http://de.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=laid%20man

>_>

Yes, that is one of the uses I done =p

Pemalite said:
DonFerrari said:

Thanks... so from a laid man approach I would say the investment of 400 on PS4Pro on the set I have will have real benefits right? (and I want to buy PSVR anyway, so it will be a better experience with Pro than normal)... I was wanting to buy a desktop to watch 4k movies, but both notebooks and desktops capable of at least processing 4k videos (not even play 4k games) are still very expensive in Brazil (we don't have outlets selling 4k discs here).

Yep. You will see some real benefits. :)

As for 4k movies, I wouldn't advise going to the PC route unless you are an enthusiast, 4k Blu-rays is a really messy situation at the moment untill all the various companies pull their fingers out.

You would be better served getting an Xbox One S once it goes on sale, it's simple and more elegent.

eva01beserk said:

Yep, im exited. Good enough for me. 

Although that means Im about to spend like $1200 for gaming. Does that make me an enthusiast? :p

I don't think being an Enthusiast is defined by how much cash you throw at something, but how active/interested you are in a particular topic. :)

When I was talking about desktop to play 4K movie it would be more like on HDD not on Disc... I thought about buying the Xbox Slim, but as I said, there isn't companies selling 4K movies in disc in Brazil so the Slim wouldn't help me get 4k movies in here, unless through netflix and the like (which my tv already does).

My only concern on the moment is seeing the difference between PS4 normal versus PS4Pro and then on my tv versus the PSVR and see which will be the better investiment, but since I'm an idiot I'll end up buying both =p



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:

When I was talking about desktop to play 4K movie it would be more like on HDD not on Disc... I thought about buying the Xbox Slim, but as I said, there isn't companies selling 4K movies in disc in Brazil so the Slim wouldn't help me get 4k movies in here, unless through netflix and the like (which my tv already does).

My only concern on the moment is seeing the difference between PS4 normal versus PS4Pro and then on my tv versus the PSVR and see which will be the better investiment, but since I'm an idiot I'll end up buying both =p

4k Blu-Ray is still pretty new, not many companies are selling it anywhere, regardless of country you are in.
That should change in time though, perhaps by then the PS5 will arrive with 4k Blu Ray support, you seem to be an early adopter of tech anyway, so I doubt it's much of a concern.
I have already started to make the transition to 4k Blu-Rays now and jump on any bargains I see with films. :)




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Chazore said:
Slimebeast said:

I would love it on my PC GPUs in the future. I love this technique because it solves the problem of diminishing returns with true native 4K. Native 4K simply isn't worth the x3-4 times investment in hardware power versus a 1080p image at this point, when GPUs already struggle to run modern games smoothly in high settings.

The idea to generate a checkerboard 4K image with only twice the hardware power is genious. True 4K does not look "twice as good" as the checkerboard 4K of PS4 Pro.

If I had a GTX 1080 PC that allowed this, I would choose the checkerboard upscaled 4K and run it in 60fps, instead of gaming in true 4K in 30fps. Nearly everyone would.

I wouldn't due to the blur it gives off. When I look at native 4k shots I see crisp detail, especially to games of old than what the "checkerboard" form deals in.

This 100%. Going back and playing some old games in 4k. It's mind blowing how good they look comapred to if you just tried to run them on your 360.



Pemalite said:

4k Blu-Ray is still pretty new, not many companies are selling it anywhere, regardless of country you are in.
That should change in time though, perhaps by then the PS5 will arrive with 4k Blu Ray support, you seem to be an early adopter of tech anyway, so I doubt it's much of a concern.
I have already started to make the transition to 4k Blu-Rays now and jump on any bargains I see with films. :)

I just don't get the draw.... 

I have a pair of 2TB HDDs, and for under $200 I'm upgrading that to a pair of 5TB HDDs. I can download a 4k movie, usually average between 25GB and 40GB in 1-2hrs max 3hrs (I've got a 55Mb (NOT MB) connection). Between that and Kodi and having my entire mobie collection in a jukebox style complete with fan art, trailers, thumbnails and everything else that comes with a Kodi experience, it's hard to understand why anyone would still want to use discs..... 

My only gripe is that it's hardfinding legal ways to download 4k movies. It ususlly involves you having to buy the physical disc anyways and also get a digital copy or you just stream them. Hell it's like everyone wants you to stream these days. 



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Intrinsic said:
Pemalite said:

4k Blu-Ray is still pretty new, not many companies are selling it anywhere, regardless of country you are in.
That should change in time though, perhaps by then the PS5 will arrive with 4k Blu Ray support, you seem to be an early adopter of tech anyway, so I doubt it's much of a concern.
I have already started to make the transition to 4k Blu-Rays now and jump on any bargains I see with films. :)

I just don't get the draw.... 

I have a pair of 2TB HDDs, and for under $200 I'm upgrading that to a pair of 5TB HDDs. I can download a 4k movie, usually average between 25GB and 40GB in 1-2hrs max 3hrs (I've got a 55Mb (NOT MB) connection). Between that and Kodi and having my entire mobie collection in a jukebox style complete with fan art, trailers, thumbnails and everything else that comes with a Kodi experience, it's hard to understand why anyone would still want to use discs..... 

My only gripe is that it's hardfinding legal ways to download 4k movies. It ususlly involves you having to buy the physical disc anyways and also get a digital copy or you just stream them. Hell it's like everyone wants you to stream these days. 

Unfortunately I am limited by last century copper twisted pair infrustructure, I only have ADSL 2+ with Annex M modulation, with a speed of roughly 10Mbps down/2Mbps up.
These 10's of Gigabytes worth of downloads are painfull. Did you know I have over a Terabytes worth of Updates, DLC and Games waiting to download on my Xbox One? :P
My Steam Library is just as bad...

I'm not allergic to going digital, just the infrustructure doesn't exist where I am for it to be entirely feasible, especially when my line is being used for hosting/server stuff and other household users.




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Pemalite said:

Unfortunately I am limited by last century copper twisted pair infrustructure, I only have ADSL 2+ with Annex M modulation, with a speed of roughly 10Mbps down/2Mbps up.
These 10's of Gigabytes worth of downloads are painfull. Did you know I have over a Terabytes worth of Updates, DLC and Games waiting to download on my Xbox One? :P
My Steam Library is just as bad...

I'm not allergic to going digital, just the infrustructure doesn't exist where I am for it to be entirely feasible, especially when my line is being used for hosting/server stuff and other household users.

Oh... in your case I can see the draw for physical media... Mine is the exact opposite somewhat. Its actually cheaper for me to go digital. 

First off I pay around $140 for my 55Mb/s broadband service monthly. Yes i know its expensive but its pays off, and its shared between 3 people (apartment beside and under me) who thankfully a Facebook and email only net users. Lets take games for instance. If i bought a $60 disc, by the time it gets to my house i would have paod a total of around $100. By thr time you factor in shipping and custom duties. So it's in my best interest to just download everything since I have no caps. 

I don't think my ISP actually wants anyone on the 55Mb/s service though, I think they made it prohibitively expensive considering how cheap the 21Mb/s service is (that's like $50/month).



Pemalite said:
DonFerrari said:

When I was talking about desktop to play 4K movie it would be more like on HDD not on Disc... I thought about buying the Xbox Slim, but as I said, there isn't companies selling 4K movies in disc in Brazil so the Slim wouldn't help me get 4k movies in here, unless through netflix and the like (which my tv already does).

My only concern on the moment is seeing the difference between PS4 normal versus PS4Pro and then on my tv versus the PSVR and see which will be the better investiment, but since I'm an idiot I'll end up buying both =p

4k Blu-Ray is still pretty new, not many companies are selling it anywhere, regardless of country you are in.
That should change in time though, perhaps by then the PS5 will arrive with 4k Blu Ray support, you seem to be an early adopter of tech anyway, so I doubt it's much of a concern.
I have already started to make the transition to 4k Blu-Rays now and jump on any bargains I see with films. :)

Yep, so the benefits of Xbox S on this will be low



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Intrinsic said:
Pemalite said:

Unfortunately I am limited by last century copper twisted pair infrustructure, I only have ADSL 2+ with Annex M modulation, with a speed of roughly 10Mbps down/2Mbps up.
These 10's of Gigabytes worth of downloads are painfull. Did you know I have over a Terabytes worth of Updates, DLC and Games waiting to download on my Xbox One? :P
My Steam Library is just as bad...

I'm not allergic to going digital, just the infrustructure doesn't exist where I am for it to be entirely feasible, especially when my line is being used for hosting/server stuff and other household users.

Oh... in your case I can see the draw for physical media... Mine is the exact opposite somewhat. Its actually cheaper for me to go digital. 

First off I pay around $140 for my 55Mb/s broadband service monthly. Yes i know its expensive but its pays off, and its shared between 3 people (apartment beside and under me) who thankfully a Facebook and email only net users. Lets take games for instance. If i bought a $60 disc, by the time it gets to my house i would have paod a total of around $100. By thr time you factor in shipping and custom duties. So it's in my best interest to just download everything since I have no caps. 

I don't think my ISP actually wants anyone on the 55Mb/s service though, I think they made it prohibitively expensive considering how cheap the 21Mb/s service is (that's like $50/month).

I would be happy to pay $200 a month if it meant I can get some good speeds, it just isn't available here. :(
My mobile's LTE is faster than my landline, sadly I would use all it's data in 30 seconds. Such a first world problem. Haha




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