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bigtakilla said:

If they do that, they may as well shoot their hardware r and d department in the face, because but would pretty much assure Wii U sales figures from that point on (and they'd honestly be very lucky to pull those numbers off)making them a liability. Then add in the fact that Sony would want their share of all sales, and the cost of adding and maintaining more servers, and I question how much more money Nintendo would essentially make.
Then we can also assume no true new ways to play as they'd have to work on all systems... How is this a win for Nintendo?

but also add the fact that a 5 years subscription would be much better than the cost of producing a console, and they earn all(except the sony share) the profit. and if no one like that and the virtual NX is a flop, it wouldnt be a shoot in the face, cos the other only way is getting the hardware. But if the sony demanded share was too big, of course it wont be good for nintendo. some assumptions are needed.

About the new ways to play, i explained that developers would make the game for NX. The emulator that would mapthe controllers, the developer wouldnt have to do any more effort to run on other consoles. And of course im suposing that NX would be a tradictional screen and buttons system.



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illogical,

if someone can play Nintendo games on another system as WELL as the games on that system, then why on Earth would they purchase an NX? hell, I'm a Nintendo fan but if they put their games both on, say, the PS4 AND the NX then it would be shooting myself in the foot not to get the system that had both libraries

terrible idea.

Nintendo's strength is in their IPs more than their hardware. Its a relationship that depends on one another sure, doing their own hardware enables them to have unlimited freedom with their IPs, however the value is in the characters and game series. Allowing other consoles to have Nintendo games, even if only virtually, would be suicide.

In fact your idea is far worse than just suggesting Nintendo go third party entirely. One or the other, you can't successfully do an inbetween because there would be no giant incentive to have the Nintendo console as it would have zero exclusives



Ka-pi96 said:
So you have to pay the subscription AND pay for the games? Not sure if that would work too well. Big Nintendo fans would buy the Nintendo console regardless so they're not relevant. But your average consumer... Well just imagine somebody seeing the new Mario Kart or something is out and thinking 'yeah, that could be fun, I'll buy it' goes to the store and it's $60, no problem there. But then +$50 subscription fee and all of a sudden the game is now $110. For an industry which makes a lot of its money through impulse buys I can't really see that working.

 

Ka-pi96 said:
jonathanalis said:

not paying subscription. subscriptions are like 50$ a year, a nintendo console is supose to be 250$ or less. So, makes sense buying a hardware.

Anyway, killing NX or not doesnt matter here. They dont need to sell NX, the great revenue come from selling games. the console is only needed for selling games, if million of consumers pay 50 a year and also get the games, would be much better profit-wise for nintendo than selling consoles.

I don't think you'd get millions of consumers with a $50 a year subscription fee.

Although even if you did you'd get so many more sales without that fee in which case they'd be better off going 3rd party for real rather than doing it that way. Plus they wouldn't then have to spend millions on console R&D, production and marketing either.

You have pretty good points.

If millions of consumers that wanto to play nintendo games wouldnt pay a 50$ fee and prefer a console, they would buy a console. So, if they dont pay the fee, they would buy the console. if it wont work, nothing would change.

the advantage of that instead of going thirdy party is developing games only for one plataform, suposing the emulator would work well on some other plataforms. The other is keeping the fans and the legacy of 'nintendo games are only for nintendo consoles', which is very important. but know you can rent a nintendo console in your PS4 neo. is still exclusive to nintendo consoles, virtual or not.

But yeah, going third party would be more profitable, but is against their filosophy, so thats why i proposed a middle way.



jonathanalis said:
bunchanumbers said:
Why would anyone buy NX hardware when they could just rent it on their machines? It would pretty much kill NX before it even happens.

not paying subscription. subscriptions are like 50$ a year, a nintendo console is supose to be 250$ or less. So, makes sense buying a hardware.

Anyway, killing NX or not doesnt matter here. They dont need to sell NX, the great revenue come from selling games. the console is only needed for selling games, if million of consumers pay 50 a year and also get the games, would be much better profit-wise for nintendo than selling consoles.

Nintendo almost always makes money selling their HARDWARE, as well as software.

They would not make more necessarily going third party or doing your strange plan, as you share revenue when you put a game on someone else's system. 

also in the past Nintendo has made far more money on average than their competitors, in fact Nintendo made more with the Gamecube than Sony did with the PS2, despite the PS2 selling far more software and breaking records hardware wise.

I will also point out that you seem oblivious that Nintendo makes a lot of money from accessory sales. Go to any Nintendo section in a store and you'll see lots of periphials and controllers and things, more so than their competitiors. big source of revenue

this thread is ridiculous and not well researched as Nintendo does in fact generally speaking make a lot of money from non software related sales (accessories)



mountaindewslave said:

illogical,

if someone can play Nintendo games on another system as WELL as the games on that system, then why on Earth would they purchase an NX? hell, I'm a Nintendo fan but if they put their games both on, say, the PS4 AND the NX then it would be shooting myself in the foot not to get the system that had both libraries

terrible idea.

Nintendo's strength is in their IPs more than their hardware. Its a relationship that depends on one another sure, doing their own hardware enables them to have unlimited freedom with their IPs, however the value is in the characters and game series. Allowing other consoles to have Nintendo games, even if only virtually, would be suicide.

In fact your idea is far worse than just suggesting Nintendo go third party entirely. One or the other, you can't successfully do an inbetween because there would be no giant incentive to have the Nintendo console as it would have zero exclusives

 

2 cases: In the first, if they dont want buy a nintendo consle, and instead the consumers pay the subscripton and buy the digital games, nintendo profit would good enough, now they would kill their hardware, but still with a strong console, besides it being virtual. And the second case where people dont want to pay a subscription, the only way is to get the hardware. so, also good for nintendo.

mountaindewslave said:
jonathanalis said:

not paying subscription. subscriptions are like 50$ a year, a nintendo console is supose to be 250$ or less. So, makes sense buying a hardware.

Anyway, killing NX or not doesnt matter here. They dont need to sell NX, the great revenue come from selling games. the console is only needed for selling games, if million of consumers pay 50 a year and also get the games, would be much better profit-wise for nintendo than selling consoles.

Nintendo almost always makes money selling their HARDWARE, as well as software.

They would not make more necessarily going third party or doing your strange plan, as you share revenue when you put a game on someone else's system. 

also in the past Nintendo has made far more money on average than their competitors, in fact Nintendo made more with the Gamecube than Sony did with the PS2, despite the PS2 selling far more software and breaking records hardware wise.

I will also point out that you seem oblivious that Nintendo makes a lot of money from accessory sales. Go to any Nintendo section in a store and you'll see lots of periphials and controllers and things, more so than their competitiors. big source of revenue

this thread is ridiculous and not well researched as Nintendo does in fact generally speaking make a lot of money from non software related sales (accessories)

good point, but im suposing we are in a new era where the nintendo consoles dont profit as well as before, looking at the recent history (wii U case). Also, why wouldnt the virtual NX accept nintendo acessories? the emulator could as well implement the integration with the acessories. the virtual console NX would be like a real console that could do anything a NX could do(except cartridges).(assuming that is possible).



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It definitely would have a big impact on NX sales so that wouldn't be so good..

it really just depends on the perspective you look at it



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I will say it once again, a streaming platform that grants Nintendo's old games let alone newer more expensive titles for a low cost annual or monthly fee will lose them money on potential resales via VC or rerelease/port/remaster as they have done since the beginning. This isn't like with Netflix or music streaming subscriptions the cost to maintain games either live streamed to devices or a platform that let's the player download the games but still provides Nintendo the ability to cancel their access once the subscription is over would be nuts and difficult for them to maintain.

Only way it could work would be if it became a Steam like service but since Steam exists and their relationship with third parties is weak how could such a platform be anymore viable then what they already have?



jonathanalis said:
bigtakilla said:

If they do that, they may as well shoot their hardware r and d department in the face, because but would pretty much assure Wii U sales figures from that point on (and they'd honestly be very lucky to pull those numbers off)making them a liability. Then add in the fact that Sony would want their share of all sales, and the cost of adding and maintaining more servers, and I question how much more money Nintendo would essentially make.
Then we can also assume no true new ways to play as they'd have to work on all systems... How is this a win for Nintendo?

but also add the fact that a 5 years subscription would be much better than the cost of producing a console, and they earn all(except the sony share) the profit. and if no one like that and the virtual NX is a flop, it wouldnt be a shoot in the face, cos the other only way is getting the hardware. But if the sony demanded share was too big, of course it wont be good for nintendo. some assumptions are needed.

About the new ways to play, i explained that developers would make the game for NX. The emulator that would mapthe controllers, the developer wouldnt have to do any more effort to run on other consoles. And of course im suposing that NX would be a tradictional screen and buttons system.

But in the OP scenario they are still making consoles.... We need to assume the other companies wouldn't take more than (insert whatever would be fair I guess).... And would assume the ways Nintendo games would play would be able to be ported to other consoles with only having to simply remap the controls.... 

 

That is a WHOLE lot of assuming we've done here....

 

Now let's look at what the NX is going for. 

One machine where all Nintendo games will be on

Movies and television shows to make their franchises house hold names (generating interest in their IP)

Allowing their games to expand into the smartphone business ( a no brainer for huge profits)

All the profits they get with no middle man. 

Now which do you think is the better strategy?



I think Nintendo using smart phones to promote their software would be a better strategy. Smart phone demos.

Just a wild thought.