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curl-6 on 08 August 2016
DonFerrari said:
curl-6 said:

No, there are not. DF are like a mirror; PS4 defenders think they're pro-Xbox, Xbox defenders think they're pro-Sony, Nintendo detractors think they're Nintendo fanboys, etc. They simply reflect the bias of the observer.

Why don't you put yourself as a Nintendo defender then?

And there were several defensive pieces from DF... and read again, I didn't say DF is pro-X1, I said there are some people there that are. But spin as you wish.

Because I've criticized Nintendo more than almost anybody on this forum over the last 13 months.

None of Digital Foundry's presenters are "fierce Xbox One defenders", you simply see any positive appraisal of Xbox One as anathema.



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DonFerrari on 09 August 2016
curl-6 said:
DonFerrari said:

Why don't you put yourself as a Nintendo defender then?

And there were several defensive pieces from DF... and read again, I didn't say DF is pro-X1, I said there are some people there that are. But spin as you wish.

Because I've criticized Nintendo more than almost anybody on this forum over the last 13 months.

None of Digital Foundry's presenters are "fierce Xbox One defenders", you simply see any positive appraisal of Xbox One as anathema.

So you have for certain that other people in this thread haven't criticized their company of choice? Nice to know you keep tabs.



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curl-6 on 09 August 2016
DonFerrari said:
curl-6 said:

Because I've criticized Nintendo more than almost anybody on this forum over the last 13 months.

None of Digital Foundry's presenters are "fierce Xbox One defenders", you simply see any positive appraisal of Xbox One as anathema.

So you have for certain that other people in this thread haven't criticized their company of choice? Nice to know you keep tabs.

Actually, I never said others haven't criticized their company of choice.



DonFerrari on 10 August 2016
curl-6 said:
DonFerrari said:

So you have for certain that other people in this thread haven't criticized their company of choice? Nice to know you keep tabs.

Actually, I never said others haven't criticized their company of choice.

But that is the reason you used to put Sony Defenders, Xbox Defenders and Nintendo Detractors... very odd favouritism.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

pbroy on 10 August 2016

Can it play BC games better?







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scrapking on 10 August 2016
pbroy said:
Can it play BC games better?

I'm curious about this as well.  THe only B/C game I have a lot of experience with is Halo Wars, but it already ran fine on a regular Xbox One so it's not a good test case.  Anyone know of a 360 game that runs poorly on the Xbox One that I can test?



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drkohler on 10 August 2016
scrapking said:
pbroy said:
Can it play BC games better?

I'm curious about this as well.  THe only B/C game I have a lot of experience with is Halo Wars, but it already ran fine on a regular Xbox One so it's not a good test case.  Anyone know of a 360 game that runs poorly on the Xbox One that I can test?

There is no wizardry involved here. If your X1 game runs well at a fixed frame rate, there will be zero difference to the X1S. If your game drops a frame here and there on the X1, the X1S might be able to not show the drop or decrease the drop. It's just the linear % increase in clock rate that can "repair" some of the losses.



curl-6 on 10 August 2016
DonFerrari said:
curl-6 said:

Actually, I never said others haven't criticized their company of choice.

But that is the reason you used to put Sony Defenders, Xbox Defenders and Nintendo Detractors... very odd favouritism.

There simply aren't many Nintendo defenders raging at DF these days, because Nintendo exclusives are generally well regarded by DF. Back in 2012 and 2013 when all those shitty ports that ran worse than on PS3/360 were coming out, there were plenty of Nintendo fanboys claiming DF was biased against Nintendo. 



niceguygameplayer on 10 August 2016

Perhaps future games can take advantage of this.



Pemalite on 11 August 2016
Intrinsic said:

Yeah I'm beginning to think so too. The way i see it is that Sony would never manufacture a base PS4 at a 14/16nm process. So you are right, at some point manufacturing the Neo will actually be cheaper than making the base PS4. Sony probably figures that there will be around 20 of the 40M+ PS4 owners that will even tally upgrade to the Neo, which in turn will mean there will be lots of used PS4s out there for people that want that.

Well. For awhile it might actually be more cost effective to not shrink the PS4 anyway.
As everyone and their dog moves over to 16nm/14nm process's, there is going to be a ton of spare capacity at 28nm... And an Idle fab is a fab that is wasting cash.

Sony will likely keep both devices on the markets to target different price points anyway, so eventually moving the vanilla PS4 down to 14nm would be beneficial as the Neo also gets cheaper.





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