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MikeB on 28 March 2008
rocketpig said:
It can be agrued which features are more useful to consumers, does everyone really want to use Adobe Photoshop? I have an older copy of Adobe Photoshop on my PC and I am not planning on upgrading my PC for games, software or multimedia uses. Now I own a PS3, my PC will remain ´as is´ running XP (no desire to upgrade to Vista).

For entertainment a PS3 is very well specced, gaming, multimedia function and movies. Many people own a PC just for email and webbrowsing, functions which could be fully implemented on the PS3. The PS3 can technically run a game like Crysis, even an improved version taking advantage of the Cell or for instance better audio or more content using BluRay is possible (other areas like RAM usage may need sacrifices or workarounds). Just because Crysis doesn´t already run on the PS3 it doesn´t per se mean it´s not technically possible to run Crysis and vice versa for the games which are only available for the PS3.

Everyone I know own a monitor for their PCs. The PS3 is less of a fuss to use with a HDTV, it also easily fits most media cabinets. The PS3 isn´t reallty useless other than for gaming on a SDTV, at least on a PAL TV photo albums still look slick and the PS3 does a good job at outputting high quality music, webbrowing is a bit lacking in detail but still functional, etc.


Photoshop, iTunes, Office, it doesn't matter. The point is that this PC will be able to run pretty much anything.

I'm not saying that the PS3 is not a capable machine for the price; it is. But the fact remains that I can build a PC for a little more money that will do everything the PS3 does, do it faster, all while doing about 10,000 other things that the PS3 cannot do and will never be able to do.

A PC is a very different product compared to a PS3, both offer their strong points (and weakpoints like for example virusses or trojans with regard to Windows PCs).

My PC is already capable of running office, photoshop and what not (in theory you can of course also already use programs like OpenOffice.org through Linux on a PS3...). For many current PC owners it may be far more interesting to just buy a PS3 instead of upgrading or buying a new PC to play the latest games or watch Blu-Ray movies. IMO the PC will not kill the PS3´s market viability which is expected to last a decade.



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Omac on 28 March 2008

Are you using pricewatch rocketpig? I need to upgrade my computer really soon. Also nothing wrong with the PS3 cpu. Just has some bottle necking with ram and gpu. I think thats why a lot of games are installing to the hdd now of days.



rocketpig on 28 March 2008

It was a mix of a few sites, Omac... Pricewatch & NewEgg, mostly.




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Final-Fan on 28 March 2008
MikeB said:
A PC is a very different product compared to a PS3, [...] the PC will not kill the PS3´s market viability [...]
MikeB, just say this and we'll agree with you. PC gaming has never yet killed a console to my knowledge.

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iron_megalith on 28 March 2008
selnor said:
Salamursu said:
There's better technology available all the time, but it does not mean that console generations should be abandoned just to implement every new component available. What would be the point in the console business if new generations were introduced every three years.
I agree. But the jump next year isnt just like Geforce 7 to 8 or Pentium 3 to 4. This is a radical new way of making games a whole lot more powerful. The numbers they are able to crunch are massive. There is no longer need for a seperate graphics card. My point is this gen will be no longer than any other generation. And because of the jump next year it applys moreso to this gen than any other. PS3 and 360 are supposed to be the forefront of HD graphical gaming . But there will be a massive gap next year and especially 2010, 2011 when we see games take advantage of the change.

 


 Please stop trolling and use your head. Please don't say you said that from the heart because it doesn't give a damn point at all. Are you telling us that in 2009 ps3 is obsolete and game devs won't be developing games there anymore? You make ps3 sound like the 1st Xbox.



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iron_megalith on 28 March 2008
selnor said:
MikeB said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
MikeB said:
selnor said:
MikeB said:
PDF said:
I only see that Sony mangaed to pull out of the same track the DC was in and is now doing better

And there are more than enough anticipated PS3 games lined-up for Japan. MGS4 will help considerably in the short term. Once Final Fantasy and a slimline PS3 launches I predict Japan will go PS3 crazy.

The PS3 is a 10 year product strategy, for Japan it was a 1st round knockout against the 360, first punch knock out actually.

10 year product that is obselete in 2009. AMD and Intel release amzingly fast CPU and GPU combined processors which more than double dot productions in gaming. PS3 or 360 will not last till 2017. Both are equal in graphical capabilities. And niether will be able to run the new UE4 which is being developed for the new PC processors. Question is where does this leave ATI and NVIDIA?

 


The PS3 already has some of the technically most impressive games such as Uncharted and Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction Opinion, yet such games only scratch the surface of what can be achieved through PS3 specific game engine enhancements. Opinion

Consoles are easier to use, no fuss strainght forward and more seamless in usage for many things. Half-truth It's not only about raw power, but Windows by itself drains a lot potential PC perfomance Half-truth and games are never optimised to the extend console games are being optimised for the remaining power. Lie Consoles are also about value for money Fact, currently there is even no expensive x86 Windows PC available which provides the equivalent performance potential that the PS3 Cell processor can provide Lie nor do PCs offer a Blu-Ray drive by default Fact at console price points. Lie

The PS3 will get cheaper Fact and slimmer in course of time Opinion, the games library will rapidly expand Fact and improve in quality Opinion, the Blu-Ray movie library will expand Fact, new services like Home and PlayTV will be launched Fact, this all considerably enhancing the value for money ratio for the PS3 Opinion . If you understand this then you can understand why the PS2 is still selling pretty well Lie, but the PS3 is now much better specced than the PS2 was for the time the PS2 console launched Fact, much better! Opinion


I've provided a helpful legend with which to read MikeB's post.

Also - $130 BluRay PC drive


Heh Mr Troll, to address the alledged "lies".

- Nearly everyone knows in course of time consoles are being pushed better to their limits than PCs will, the reasons are actually quite simple, PC owners have a great diversity of differently specced hardware, different CPUs (also differently clocked), different RAM speeds, different GPUs, different motherboard settings and chips, etc. Thus games aren't being optimised as well for PC hardware as sofware will be optimised during a console lifecycle.

- The Cell processor and PS3 is being bought by scientists to mimic the human brain or research blackholes. The Cell is a pretty special very powerful general purpose processor.

- A 130 dollar PC Blu-Ray drive without a PC is pretty useless. You also need a casing, motherboard, RAM, CPU, graphics card, harddrive, likely Windows, mouse, keyboard, etc and probably a monitor and speakers. It will be more expensive and will not be a real PS3 replacement at all, something you comfortably use to watch movies and play games on the couch in the living room.

- The over 8 year old PS2 outsold the XBox 360 in January and February in the 360's strongest market according to NPD tracking. I think the PS2 still performs honorable.

Oh dear mikeB is back. Dude seriously it's technically proven that the chips from Intel and AMD are absolute monsters.The numbers are rediculous. When they launch, wimdows or no window, PS3 and 360's top potential will be along way of the PC markets. My point is Niether PS3 or 360 will be around till 2017 as Sony claim. You must be a Sony PR. Not just this reason but also that with the latest tech talk amongst tech websites, Disc format may all but disappear by then. That includes BLU RAY. Hence MS decision not to make a BLU RAY player for 360. The future is far better and cheaper for the consumer than spinning discs of plastic.

 Oh dear lord. I wish someone would get you out of this thread. Strike 2 for another absurd comment you made. Go hug that 360 of yours and go to your room.



rocketpig on 28 March 2008
iron_megalith said:
selnor said:
Salamursu said:
There's better technology available all the time, but it does not mean that console generations should be abandoned just to implement every new component available. What would be the point in the console business if new generations were introduced every three years.
I agree. But the jump next year isnt just like Geforce 7 to 8 or Pentium 3 to 4. This is a radical new way of making games a whole lot more powerful. The numbers they are able to crunch are massive. There is no longer need for a seperate graphics card. My point is this gen will be no longer than any other generation. And because of the jump next year it applys moreso to this gen than any other. PS3 and 360 are supposed to be the forefront of HD graphical gaming . But there will be a massive gap next year and especially 2010, 2011 when we see games take advantage of the change.

 


 Please stop trolling and use your head. Please don't say you said that from the heart because it doesn't give a damn point at all. Are you telling us that in 2009 ps3 is obsolete and game devs won't be developing games there anymore? You make ps3 sound like the 1st Xbox.


What he's saying is that by 2010, the PS3 will be vastly inferior graphically to PC gaming. And he's right. PCs are already doing things the PS3 & 360 can't and in two years, the gap will be huge.




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a.l.e.x00 on 28 March 2008
Fastrabbit09 said:
a.l.e.x00 said:
Playstation 3 may have defeated the Dreamcast in Japan, but the Saturn reigns supreme, and may never be defeated.

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS3®1=Japan&cons2=SAT®2=Japan&cons3=DC®3=Japan&weeks=400

 

except by wii?

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS3®1=Japan&cons2=SAT®2=Japan&cons3=Wii®3=Japan&weeks=400

Playstation 3 may not beat the Saturn in Japan. I was not writing about the Wii.



Final-Fan on 28 March 2008
rocketpig said:
iron_megalith said:
selnor said:
Salamursu said:
There's better technology available all the time, but it does not mean that console generations should be abandoned just to implement every new component available. What would be the point in the console business if new generations were introduced every three years.
I agree. But the jump next year isnt just like Geforce 7 to 8 or Pentium 3 to 4. This is a radical new way of making games a whole lot more powerful. The numbers they are able to crunch are massive. There is no longer need for a seperate graphics card. My point is this gen will be no longer than any other generation. And because of the jump next year it applys moreso to this gen than any other. PS3 and 360 are supposed to be the forefront of HD graphical gaming . But there will be a massive gap next year and especially 2010, 2011 when we see games take advantage of the change.
Please stop trolling and use your head. Please don't say you said that from the heart because it doesn't give a damn point at all. Are you telling us that in 2009 ps3 is obsolete and game devs won't be developing games there anymore? You make ps3 sound like the 1st Xbox.
What he's saying is that by 2010, the PS3 will be vastly inferior graphically to PC gaming. And he's right. PCs are already doing things the PS3 & 360 can't and in two years, the gap will be huge.
I don't blame you for missing it, but there's more context to this. 10 year product that is obselete in 2009. AMD and Intel release amzingly fast CPU and GPU combined processors which more than double dot productions in gaming. PS3 or 360 will not last till 2017. Both are equal in graphical capabilities. And niether will be able to run the new UE4 which is being developed for the new PC processors. Question is where does this leave ATI and NVIDIA?

He's not just saying that there will be massive technological advancements but that those technological advancements will make the consoles obsolete by next year -- not just graphically but as game platforms. The consoles are already far behind in terms of raw power, and will continue to fall behind at a fast pace, but I don't see why this gen's consoles will become obsolete any faster than last gen's, or the gen before that, etc.

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amcdc79 on 29 March 2008

"Holy Hi-jacked thread" I was not trying to offend anyone,merely pointing out that both consoles were(in Japan) initially the same in sales,yet one is remembered as a failure,the other a success.

Yes, it probably would have been better if I had only included the first year, as the PS3 has surged since winning the HD format war.

Also please remember the Dreamcast had the launch of the PS2 to deal with,and only 17 months after it's NA launch, Sega announced they were ceasing production. Some of the best games due to come out for it went to the other consoles(System Shock 2, Half-Life, Rez, Shenmue II, Super Monkee Ball, etc)many more were cancelled.

So here we are, 17 months into the life of the PS3,and (hypothetically) Sony decides to drop the PS3,with many of the big exclusives (FF and GT5) going to the 360,and the rest to the Wii and PS2. How would you feel? How would the sales be? That's what happened to the Dreamcast.

I am all ears,fill me in!



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