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midrange on 19 July 2016
bigtakilla said:
midrange said:

That chart would certainly be different if Nintendo had pushed for better third party support. Minecraft came way to late despite being a perfect fit for the gamepad. Rayman would have sold more if it stayed exclusive. Overwatch's family friendly cel shaded graphics would have been a perfect fit for a Nintendo platform. Rocket league would do well as a cartoonish and fun couch coop games. Not to mention all of the BIG games that skipped the wii u (GTA and Destiny for example)

One of the best selling franchises of all time was on the Wii U (Call Of Duty) as well as Assassin's Creed and Batman Arkham (city and origins). None of which sold all that well. 

Dlc support was pure trash on all of those and Nintendo never put any effort into marketing them (just look at how Playstation basically stole call of duty from Xbox). Furthermore, the big games I listed better match the wii u audience. The people who are into Mario are more likely to play overwatch and minecraft over call of duty and assassins creed



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Azzanation on 19 July 2016

Yet the system with the best 1st party lineup has sold the worst this gen.



bigtakilla on 20 July 2016
midrange said:
bigtakilla said:

One of the best selling franchises of all time was on the Wii U (Call Of Duty) as well as Assassin's Creed and Batman Arkham (city and origins). None of which sold all that well. 

Dlc support was pure trash on all of those and Nintendo never put any effort into marketing them (just look at how Playstation basically stole call of duty from Xbox). Furthermore, the big games I listed better match the wii u audience. The people who are into Mario are more likely to play overwatch and minecraft over call of duty and assassins creed

Isn't Minecraft on Wii U? I'm not entirely sure as I don't give a crap about minecraft... 

And essentially now we have to narrow the 3rd party games we talk about to "ones that appeal to Nintendo fans", which is purely based on opinion. 



Dyllyo on 20 July 2016

I miss iconic staples. I think it's weird that gamers are so against them now... yet it still seems to be completely acceptable when it's Nintendo. Like somehow, no matter how much they suck, everyone will still gobble up everything they do.

I miss when gamers were less judgmental, more than anything. Gamers used to be excited about games...now they always seem to be looking for reasons to hate something way before it ever even comes out.



Dyllyo on 20 July 2016

I miss iconic staples. I think it's weird that gamers are so against them now... yet it still seems to be completely acceptable when it's Nintendo. Like somehow, no matter how much they suck, everyone will still gobble up everything they do.

I miss when gamers were less judgmental, more than anything. Gamers used to be excited about games...now they always seem to be looking for reasons to hate something way before it ever even comes out. Makes it harder for anything to be successful, it seems.



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midrange on 20 July 2016
bigtakilla said:
midrange said:

Dlc support was pure trash on all of those and Nintendo never put any effort into marketing them (just look at how Playstation basically stole call of duty from Xbox). Furthermore, the big games I listed better match the wii u audience. The people who are into Mario are more likely to play overwatch and minecraft over call of duty and assassins creed

Isn't Minecraft on Wii U? I'm not entirely sure as I don't give a crap about minecraft... 

And essentially now we have to narrow the 3rd party games we talk about to "ones that appeal to Nintendo fans", which is purely based on opinion. 

Minecraft just recently released on the wii u whereas it was out for years on other platforms. Had it been on the wii u since day 1, it would have definitely been one of the best games despite being third party.

 

With regards to third parties, you have it backwards. You have been narrowing down third parties to the ones released on the wii u whereas I'm trying to say that that's not a fair representation of all third parties out there. Call of duty with virtually no dlc on the wii u does not properly represent the success that other third parties would have had, and I gave overwatch and rocket league as examples of this. Nintendo's first party studios dominating on the wii u mean nothing since there is a pitiful amount of third party support on the wii u. It's a hollow victory since they basically win by default



bigtakilla on 21 July 2016
midrange said:
bigtakilla said:

Isn't Minecraft on Wii U? I'm not entirely sure as I don't give a crap about minecraft... 

And essentially now we have to narrow the 3rd party games we talk about to "ones that appeal to Nintendo fans", which is purely based on opinion. 

Minecraft just recently released on the wii u whereas it was out for years on other platforms. Had it been on the wii u since day 1, it would have definitely been one of the best games despite being third party.

 

With regards to third parties, you have it backwards. You have been narrowing down third parties to the ones released on the wii u whereas I'm trying to say that that's not a fair representation of all third parties out there. Call of duty with virtually no dlc on the wii u does not properly represent the success that other third parties would have had, and I gave overwatch and rocket league as examples of this. Nintendo's first party studios dominating on the wii u mean nothing since there is a pitiful amount of third party support on the wii u. It's a hollow victory since they basically win by default

I'm adding in the Wii too. What you wanna look at gamecube's numbers 1st party vs 3rd? Go ahead, it's pretty much the same story, 7 first party titles take the top slots, and then sprinkled with some third and first below that. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Nintendo_GameCube_video_games

That's 15 years of history telling you the same thing.



Zoombael on 21 July 2016
CaptainExplosion said:

Well here's one thing I know for sure consoles today are losing; The real reason we got them in the first place.

No, just Microsoft.



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midrange on 21 July 2016
bigtakilla said:
midrange said:

Minecraft just recently released on the wii u whereas it was out for years on other platforms. Had it been on the wii u since day 1, it would have definitely been one of the best games despite being third party.

 

With regards to third parties, you have it backwards. You have been narrowing down third parties to the ones released on the wii u whereas I'm trying to say that that's not a fair representation of all third parties out there. Call of duty with virtually no dlc on the wii u does not properly represent the success that other third parties would have had, and I gave overwatch and rocket league as examples of this. Nintendo's first party studios dominating on the wii u mean nothing since there is a pitiful amount of third party support on the wii u. It's a hollow victory since they basically win by default

I'm adding in the Wii too. What you wanna look at gamecube's numbers 1st party vs 3rd? Go ahead, it's pretty much the same story, 7 first party titles take the top slots, and then sprinkled with some third and first below that. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Nintendo_GameCube_video_games

That's 15 years of history telling you the same thing.

Regarding the GameCube, it also suffered from a lack of third party titles and people knew this (where was GTA?). Just because the third party situation was better than the wii u doesn't mean it was good third party support (again, the wii u has virtually zero third party support). Even then, the GameCube still out sold the wii u.

Likewise, your entire argument also looks at only the Nintendo line. I find it funny how you are looking towards the most unsuccessful consoles and having them represent all of gaming. Let's take a look at the most successful console in history, the PS2. That chart is dominated by mainly third party titles (and no gimmick to skew these numbers either). Third party titles made it into a giant behemoth. Same story with the PS4.

Third party matters most. Nintendo ignored this and for that there are hundreds of games that are now exclusively NOT on the wii u causing it to suffer. No amount of first party games can recover from that



bigtakilla on 21 July 2016
midrange said:
bigtakilla said:

I'm adding in the Wii too. What you wanna look at gamecube's numbers 1st party vs 3rd? Go ahead, it's pretty much the same story, 7 first party titles take the top slots, and then sprinkled with some third and first below that. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Nintendo_GameCube_video_games

That's 15 years of history telling you the same thing.

Regarding the GameCube, it also suffered from a lack of third party titles and people knew this (where was GTA?). Just because the third party situation was better than the wii u doesn't mean it was good third party support (again, the wii u has virtually zero third party support). Even then, the GameCube still out sold the wii u.

Likewise, your entire argument also looks at only the Nintendo line. I find it funny how you are looking towards the most unsuccessful consoles and having them represent all of gaming. Let's take a look at the most successful console in history, the PS2. That chart is dominated by mainly third party titles (and no gimmick to skew these numbers either). Third party titles made it into a giant behemoth. Same story with the PS4.

Third party matters most. Nintendo ignored this and for that there are hundreds of games that are now exclusively NOT on the wii u causing it to suffer. No amount of first party games can recover from that

Third parties dominate being they are available to TONS more people than Nintendo 1st party, and it doesn't stop Galaxy, NSMB Wii, Mario Kart Wii, ect from being some of the top games ever sold.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/