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DonFerrari on 07 July 2016
Aielyn said:
DonFerrari said:

You have done some mental gymnastics to go almost to the other side of the spectrum.

I'd respond meaningfully to your statement, but I'm not even clear on what you're trying to say. Are you suggesting that my direct interpretation of the FBI comments, which clearly state that those who do what Clinton did might be subject to sanctions, but that the FBI weren't tasked with determining sanctions, was "mental gymnastics"? And what "spectrum" are you referring to?

I'm seriously at a loss to understand what you're trying to say.

The original quote is basically saying more in the light of "she should receive sanctions and they decided not to" than "this kind of thing could or could not end in sanction"

So your interpretation is moving from the guilty to not guilty



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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dharh on 07 July 2016
DonFerrari said:
Aielyn said:

I'd respond meaningfully to your statement, but I'm not even clear on what you're trying to say. Are you suggesting that my direct interpretation of the FBI comments, which clearly state that those who do what Clinton did might be subject to sanctions, but that the FBI weren't tasked with determining sanctions, was "mental gymnastics"? And what "spectrum" are you referring to?

I'm seriously at a loss to understand what you're trying to say.

The original quote is basically saying more in the light of "she should receive sanctions and they decided not to" than "this kind of thing could or could not end in sanction"

So your interpretation is moving from the guilty to not guilty

Guilty in this case would mean she would be fired from being SoS, no longer being able to access matters of top security.  But guess what, she is no longer SoS and does not have access to matters of top security.  You can't be fired from a job you no longer have.



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FragilE^ on 07 July 2016

Why is this not talked about by the media? They're literally saying that you can be given a penalty for the same crime Hillary got off the hook for. Where's CNN to talk about this?

Who's sponsoring Hillary Clinton? Well guess what. Its the media giants.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/05/clinton-foundation-donors-include-dozens-of-media-organizations-individuals-207228

You shouldn't be surprised. Dissapointed in the world, sure. But surprised? No :/

 

Elections in America has always been decided by money, and money rules the world. (Not saying other countries are necessarily better...)



DonFerrari on 07 July 2016
dharh said:
DonFerrari said:

The original quote is basically saying more in the light of "she should receive sanctions and they decided not to" than "this kind of thing could or could not end in sanction"

So your interpretation is moving from the guilty to not guilty

Guilty in this case would mean she would be fired from being SoS, no longer being able to access matters of top security.  But guess what, she is no longer SoS and does not have access to matters of top security.  You can't be fired from a job you no longer have.

If you should be fired from political job because of it, it certainly should prevent you from getting a new one, don't you think?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Low78wagon on 07 July 2016
DonFerrari said:
dharh said:

Guilty in this case would mean she would be fired from being SoS, no longer being able to access matters of top security.  But guess what, she is no longer SoS and does not have access to matters of top security.  You can't be fired from a job you no longer have.

If you should be fired from political job because of it, it certainly should prevent you from getting a new one, don't you think?

Especially a job as our commander in chief.



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DonFerrari on 07 July 2016
Low78wagon said:
DonFerrari said:

If you should be fired from political job because of it, it certainly should prevent you from getting a new one, don't you think?

Especially a job as our commander in chief.

Mistakes are acceptable... but some aren't for a President, even more when there is a possibility of malicious intent...

 

In Brazil during the Mensalão scandal, there were some that would say Lula didn't know anything about it... sorry, any president in any company if most of his directors were corrupt and making the company lose billion dollars would either be considered accomplice and jailed or to incompetent to be a president and would be fired... so "I didn't know I was doing wrong" shouldn't even be a excuse for a president.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

dharh on 07 July 2016
DonFerrari said:
dharh said:

Guilty in this case would mean she would be fired from being SoS, no longer being able to access matters of top security.  But guess what, she is no longer SoS and does not have access to matters of top security.  You can't be fired from a job you no longer have.

If you should be fired from political job because of it, it certainly should prevent you from getting a new one, don't you think?

Again, one thing is not like the other.  She was hired to be SoS by the President.  If she becomes President, it will be because she was _elected_ by the people.  You can claim being elected President is just a different kind of way of being hired, but this comes down to a legal distinction.

Also, as I said before here, there is a systemic issue in the government at nearly all levels where IT infrastructure is massively underfunded.  Had Hillary not done what she did, and by extension been allowed to do, she could still have been hacked because the government has been hacked multiple times (including the State Department) already.



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dharh on 07 July 2016
Low78wagon said:
DonFerrari said:

If you should be fired from political job because of it, it certainly should prevent you from getting a new one, don't you think?

Especially a job as our commander in chief.

That is up to the people and is not a _legal_ question.



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DonFerrari on 07 July 2016
dharh said:
DonFerrari said:

If you should be fired from political job because of it, it certainly should prevent you from getting a new one, don't you think?

Again, one thing is not like the other.  She was hired to be SoS by the President.  If she becomes President, it will be because she was _elected_ by the people.  You can claim being elected President is just a different kind of way of being hired, but this comes down to a legal distinction.

Also, as I said before here, there is a systemic issue in the government at nearly all levels where IT infrastructure is massively underfunded.  Had Hillary not done what she did, and by extension been allowed to do, she could still have been hacked because the government has been hacked multiple times (including the State Department) already.

I know it's a different jurisdiction. My comment is just that it's ridiculous.

And on the IT infra... it's partially the fault of her higher up and president that she wants to succeed and probably says is fantastic. Second, you can't say that because the system would fail anyway you decided to fail first.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

dharh on 07 July 2016
DonFerrari said:
dharh said:

Again, one thing is not like the other.  She was hired to be SoS by the President.  If she becomes President, it will be because she was _elected_ by the people.  You can claim being elected President is just a different kind of way of being hired, but this comes down to a legal distinction.

Also, as I said before here, there is a systemic issue in the government at nearly all levels where IT infrastructure is massively underfunded.  Had Hillary not done what she did, and by extension been allowed to do, she could still have been hacked because the government has been hacked multiple times (including the State Department) already.

I know it's a different jurisdiction. My comment is just that it's ridiculous.

And on the IT infra... it's partially the fault of her higher up and president that she wants to succeed and probably says is fantastic. Second, you can't say that because the system would fail anyway you decided to fail first.

I lay the blame on the current state of government IT infrastructure mostly on the congress.  They are the ones who pass the budget.  

That is not the say that I think Hillary doesn't make bad decisions.  If she had wanted to follow procedure and use a 'secure' and sanctioned State Department server for her emails then it would have been done and we wouldn't be dealing with this stupid side show.  Instead she decided to be selfish and careless.  Also, plenty of people who _should_ have told her no, did not.



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