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SamLeheny said:
Um... You know my TV already upscales on its own right? That's just something TVs do these days. Saying "our console will support upscaling" is like saying "our console supports the use of electricity!"

The console doesn't "support upscaling" it performs it's OWN upscaling. This will be beneficial, mainly for people with cheaper 4k TV's that have crap upscalers in them.



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Pemalite said:
DonFerrari said:

Hey you didn't give me your opinion on the gain this internal upscaler (because if PS4 Slim or Neo have one it'll probably be similar) against Sony XBR-65X855C

The Sony XBR-65X855C is trending towards higher part of the mid-range 4k TV market (As it's an 8xx model, still better than a ton of high-end 1080P panels though and a league ahead of cheap corner-cut low-end 4k panels.) 4k TV, Sony do typically have some of the best scalers in the TV business anyway.

The PS4 Slim and Neo will likely use an AMD scaler, which would still likely have the edge and should reduce input lag, either way, you will still have great upscaling results either way.

My question is basically to decide the gains I would have from a Slim having this upscaler (versus the TV... Neo I'll probably buy because of gain in VR and the extra power hopefully giving me even better look). Input lag wasn't a problem for me, but good to know If Slim offers just 4K playback (tv already have those available natively), 4k drive (no Bluray sold in the country anyway) and the upscaler isn't a gain I won't need the Slim before Neo comes out.

 

Thanks Man



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SamLeheny said:
Um... You know my TV already upscales on its own right? That's just something TVs do these days. Saying "our console will support upscaling" is like saying "our console supports the use of electricity!"

See perma answer to me... the upscaler may be a good thing for you or not depending of your set



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

COKTOE said:
I don't get it. Aren't most XBO games in 720p? So, it will upscale these games, the majority of games from 720p to 4K?

No, most Xbone games are not 720p. Most are 1080p just like PS4. You only hear about the ones that aren't 1080p.



Pemalite said:
DonFerrari said:

Hey you didn't give me your opinion on the gain this internal upscaler (because if PS4 Slim or Neo have one it'll probably be similar) against Sony XBR-65X855C

The Sony XBR-65X855C is trending towards higher part of the mid-range 4k TV market (As it's an 8xx model, still better than a ton of high-end 1080P panels though and a league ahead of cheap corner-cut low-end 4k panels.) 4k TV, Sony do typically have some of the best scalers in the TV business anyway.

The PS4 Slim and Neo will likely use an AMD scaler, which would still likely have the edge and should reduce input lag, either way, you will still have great upscaling results either way.

I hope the scaler is good as that's the only way to get HDR output. HDR is restricted to 4K signals with HDMI 2.0  So even if the tv has a better upscaler, you'll miss out on HDR effects that that mid to high range 4K tv supports. It's only 3 games for now that are confirmed to get HDR output so you can always switch back for other games.

Announcing HDR support implied 4K upscaling. More interesting is what kind of HDR output it will support, HDR 10 or Dolby vision or is there some version for 10 bit RGB as well. Will it do the 1000 nit highlights, use the full DCI-P3 color spectrum or simply 10 bit RGB. DF analysis will be interesting for a change. Advise on what the best 4K tv for HDR gaming is will be appreciated.



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DonFerrari said:
Pemalite said:

1) Of course not, but it's running on a fixed function pipeline, not a shared processor in a TV that has to deal with other tasks.

3) Because I understand hardware. TV's especially low-end and mid-range TV's tend to make concessions. There are plenty of TV reviews around the web that back this up, if TV's were the best at scaling, consoles and PC's wouldn't need their own scalers would they? Exactly.

Hey you didn't give me your opinion on the gain this internal upscaler (because if PS4 Slim or Neo have one it'll probably be similar) against Sony XBR-65X855C

The XBR65x855C is an international version of the 850C, which isn't as ideal for gaming as the 810C (which has a faster input lag).

 

If you're looking for a fast 4K with HDR, though, you're gonna have a bad time. The only ones that really stand out anymore are OLEDs, and burn-in aside... Those LG TVs... Man, if they would spend $50 per TV on a higher end processor, it could handle a better noise algorithm and not get covered in artifacts anytime something moves.



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SvennoJ said:
Pemalite said:

The Sony XBR-65X855C is trending towards higher part of the mid-range 4k TV market (As it's an 8xx model, still better than a ton of high-end 1080P panels though and a league ahead of cheap corner-cut low-end 4k panels.) 4k TV, Sony do typically have some of the best scalers in the TV business anyway.

The PS4 Slim and Neo will likely use an AMD scaler, which would still likely have the edge and should reduce input lag, either way, you will still have great upscaling results either way.

I hope the scaler is good as that's the only way to get HDR output. HDR is restricted to 4K signals with HDMI 2.0  So even if the tv has a better upscaler, you'll miss out on HDR effects that that mid to high range 4K tv supports. It's only 3 games for now that are confirmed to get HDR output so you can always switch back for other games.

Announcing HDR support implied 4K upscaling. More interesting is what kind of HDR output it will support, HDR 10 or Dolby vision or is there some version for 10 bit RGB as well. Will it do the 1000 nit highlights, use the full DCI-P3 color spectrum or simply 10 bit RGB. DF analysis will be interesting for a change. Advise on what the best 4K tv for HDR gaming is will be appreciated.

Indeed. There is going to be fragmentation until HDR or Dolby Vision wins the market, Microsoft has thrown it's support behind HDR, so it should be interesting if it ends up being the next HD DVD from a support perspecive or if it becomes the standard.
But you also don't need HDR to upscale your games.

As for TV's, I would personally be trending towards an LG OLEDD55C6V HDR Or perhaps the Panasonic TX-65DX902B. OLED impressed me in person. I only have an old mid range LG 60LF6300 which I would like to upgrade to 4k+larger size+HDR+OLED.




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Pemalite said:
SvennoJ said:

I hope the scaler is good as that's the only way to get HDR output. HDR is restricted to 4K signals with HDMI 2.0  So even if the tv has a better upscaler, you'll miss out on HDR effects that that mid to high range 4K tv supports. It's only 3 games for now that are confirmed to get HDR output so you can always switch back for other games.

Announcing HDR support implied 4K upscaling. More interesting is what kind of HDR output it will support, HDR 10 or Dolby vision or is there some version for 10 bit RGB as well. Will it do the 1000 nit highlights, use the full DCI-P3 color spectrum or simply 10 bit RGB. DF analysis will be interesting for a change. Advise on what the best 4K tv for HDR gaming is will be appreciated.

Indeed. There is going to be fragmentation until HDR or Dolby Vision wins the market, Microsoft has thrown it's support behind HDR, so it should be interesting if it ends up being the next HD DVD from a support perspecive or if it becomes the standard.
But you also don't need HDR to upscale your games.

As for TV's, I would personally be trending towards an LG OLEDD55C6V HDR Or perhaps the Panasonic TX-65DX902B. OLED impressed me in person. I only have an old mid range LG 60LF6300 which I would like to upgrade to 4k+larger size+HDR+OLED.

As a TV salesman who witnesses both of these types of TVs in action all day:

 

1. I would never recommend an LG TV for gaming, or at very least not one of their smart TVs. It'll ruin anything that moves by covering it with artifacts (this is something that extends to OLEDs and I would be glad to point it out). The insane input lag is great, but your eyes aren't going to be able to catch anything under 13ms, anyway. Burn in risk and bad noise algorithms are too big of a price to pay for this (not to mention sacrificing nearly all of your grayscale).

2. Panasonic's TVs this year are just absolute trash. They just don't really hold a candle to Bravias or Samsungs. I was super excited to set them up, and even more disppointed when it looked like hot garbage, even after adjusting the setting to the best of my ability for 30 minutes.



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Azuren said:
Pemalite said:

Indeed. There is going to be fragmentation until HDR or Dolby Vision wins the market, Microsoft has thrown it's support behind HDR, so it should be interesting if it ends up being the next HD DVD from a support perspecive or if it becomes the standard.
But you also don't need HDR to upscale your games.

As for TV's, I would personally be trending towards an LG OLEDD55C6V HDR Or perhaps the Panasonic TX-65DX902B. OLED impressed me in person. I only have an old mid range LG 60LF6300 which I would like to upgrade to 4k+larger size+HDR+OLED.

As a TV salesman who witnesses both of these types of TVs in action all day:

 

1. I would never recommend an LG TV for gaming, or at very least not one of their smart TVs. It'll ruin anything that moves by covering it with artifacts (this is something that extends to OLEDs and I would be glad to point it out). The insane input lag is great, but your eyes aren't going to be able to catch anything under 13ms, anyway. Burn in risk and bad noise algorithms are too big of a price to pay for this (not to mention sacrificing nearly all of your grayscale).

2. Panasonic's TVs this year are just absolute trash. They just don't really hold a candle to Bravias or Samsungs. I was super excited to set them up, and even more disppointed when it looked like hot garbage, even after adjusting the setting to the best of my ability for 30 minutes.

I have an LG Smart TV. Turning off allot of the processing pretty much eliminates the lag, besides peoples perceptions of input lag will differ from person to person, we may be more "aware" of it whilst the next person might never be able to tell the difference.

And I will never own a Samsung TV. I have repaired a few of them in my time, some components are of questionable quality, especially in some of the cheaper and mid-range models where corners have clearly been cut with things like capacitors.

Burn-in is a non issue if you know what you are doing, same held true for Plasma's, heck even CRT.

As for calibration, nothing beats using the proper tools. :)




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Azuren said:
DonFerrari said:

Hey you didn't give me your opinion on the gain this internal upscaler (because if PS4 Slim or Neo have one it'll probably be similar) against Sony XBR-65X855C

The XBR65x855C is an international version of the 850C, which isn't as ideal for gaming as the 810C (which has a faster input lag).

 

If you're looking for a fast 4K with HDR, though, you're gonna have a bad time. The only ones that really stand out anymore are OLEDs, and burn-in aside... Those LG TVs... Man, if they would spend $50 per TV on a higher end processor, it could handle a better noise algorithm and not get covered in artifacts anytime something moves.

I already bought the TV Azuren... and in country it was the best TV available in it's range (TVs from 6000-9000 where sensibly worst than the 850C, there were only 2 TVs that were better The 9XX Bravia Series and One series 9 or 10 Samsung that would cost around 15-17k... so I ended up with the 10k Sony and I really like it).

Input lag haven't been an issue for me at the moment, at least I haven't felt the lag and the colour crispness is very good for me.



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http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."