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Mr Puggsly on 09 June 2016
Chazore said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Not that surprising RotTR has abysmal numbers on the Windows Store. But its not a reflection of how exclusives do in Windows Store.

Aren't exclusives well exclusive just to their store?, comparing exclusives to nothing else doesn't really tell us how great they are doing.

That's the thing some of you just don't get. Windows Store can be viable for content not on Steam.

If Origin content was on Steam, I'm sure that would sell significantly better on Steam.



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barneystinson69 on 09 June 2016
Mike_L said:
barneystinson69 said:

How are these 3 a failure? 

No, you're completely right. Those 3 are not failures. Though my point isn't to shout "failure". My point is to uncover how it's possible that MS seems to cripple their own potentially great products (often from the get go).

 

Xbox One: Numerous PR nightmares (deal with it, buy a 360, always online, mandatory Kinect, blocking of used games, TV-TV-TV, more expensive and weaker, etc.) that crippled the launch of an otherwise good product. Reports have revealed that Xbox together with Skype and Windows Phone loses $2 billion a year. Link.

Bing: Starts promising but fails to steal significant market share and is slowly just destroyed by its lack of continuously improvements and now makes up a $1.3 billion loss together with MSN and Hotmail/Outlook.

Surface tablets: Again, a product with great potential but crippled out of the gate. The Surface Pro is far too expensive and desktop-ish for the iPad audience and the Surface RT is supported by far too few apps

 

Exactly those 3 products are the ones investors seem the most eager to get rid of. Link.

As said, I'm not trying to be a jerk. If you disagree please let me know. Maybe I'll learn something :)

Well lets see

Xbox One: I can sort of agree. But selling 20 million in 2 years isn't what I consider "failure" with all thats happened.

Bing: Had a long history of problems, but now its profitable: http://techcrunch.com/2015/10/22/bing-is-profitable/

Its also gaining share quite quickly: http://www.neowin.net/news/comscore-bings-us-market-share-increases-02-googles-drops-02-in-april

Surface: Its a premium brand. Yes, it doesn't sell through the roof, but it does make a little money to the side. Its also been a huge inspiration to OEMs, and has allowed Windows OEMs to be competitive. Its the reason  Windows tablets have 14% of the market: http://www.wirelessweek.com/news/2016/06/report-business-smartphone-shipments-flat-yoy-tablets-fall-1q



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

Sixteenvolt420 on 09 June 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
Sixteenvolt420 said:

I never knew they had their own OS. I have Chrome, just didn't know there was an OS. Is it worth getting, if you don't use your PC at all for gaming?

In a nutshell, Chrome OS is shit compared to Windows and its app support sucks. But its fine for basic stuff like web browsing, streaming, etc.

Hoestly, pretty much all that i do with my PC, is browse the web.



Synesthesia on 09 June 2016

Lets just be happy that this horrible store is doing poorly alright? GFWL 2.0 would have meant very dark times for gaming.



aLkaLiNE on 09 June 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
aLkaLiNE said:

That's not true, look at how hard they tried with

- Zune

- Internet Explorer

- MSN Messenger

- cell phones

- Bing

(:

Zune had a solid run, was replaced by smart phones.

Internet explorer being replaced is more marketing. Its still in Windows 10.

Messenger was replaced by Skype (MS product).

Phones are still around and have been for a long time.

Bing is doing better then it gets credit for.

No major company has a perfect record. How is Steam OS doing?

Well, I don't think that Zune was phased out because of smart phones to be honest. The point I was illustrating is that these are products they have or still continue attempting to support but are general failures (relative to the size, scope, and financial advantage Microsoft has).

im aware that I.E. Is replaced by edge. It was rebranded for a reason though, the fact that people were using chrome and Firefox over a pre installed browser is insane. 

Skype is a ms product now, but was not conceived by ms. They bought it after it was popular.

Phones have been around a long time. Never been a top selling brand, even with Nokia.

Cant speak too much about Bing, but it doesn't appear to have had any affect on Google.

 

You're right, no company is perfect



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Mike_L on 09 June 2016
barneystinson69 said:
Mike_L said:

No, you're completely right. Those 3 are not failures. Though my point isn't to shout "failure". My point is to uncover how it's possible that MS seems to cripple their own potentially great products (often from the get go).

 

Xbox One: Numerous PR nightmares (deal with it, buy a 360, always online, mandatory Kinect, blocking of used games, TV-TV-TV, more expensive and weaker, etc.) that crippled the launch of an otherwise good product. Reports have revealed that Xbox together with Skype and Windows Phone loses $2 billion a year. Link.

Bing: Starts promising but fails to steal significant market share and is slowly just destroyed by its lack of continuously improvements and now makes up a $1.3 billion loss together with MSN and Hotmail/Outlook.

Surface tablets: Again, a product with great potential but crippled out of the gate. The Surface Pro is far too expensive and desktop-ish for the iPad audience and the Surface RT is supported by far too few apps

 

Exactly those 3 products are the ones investors seem the most eager to get rid of. Link.

As said, I'm not trying to be a jerk. If you disagree please let me know. Maybe I'll learn something :)

Well lets see

Xbox One: I can sort of agree. But selling 20 million in 2 years isn't what I consider "failure" with all thats happened.

Bing: Had a long history of problems, but now its profitable: http://techcrunch.com/2015/10/22/bing-is-profitable/

Its also gaining share quite quickly: http://www.neowin.net/news/comscore-bings-us-market-share-increases-02-googles-drops-02-in-april

Surface: Its a premium brand. Yes, it doesn't sell through the roof, but it does make a little money to the side. Its also been a huge inspiration to OEMs, and has allowed Windows OEMs to be competitive. Its the reason  Windows tablets have 14% of the market: http://www.wirelessweek.com/news/2016/06/report-business-smartphone-shipments-flat-yoy-tablets-fall-1q

I learned something. Thanks :)

Regarding the other products, I still think great potential is often crippled by weird choices or rushed launches. And it baffles me.



Chazore on 09 June 2016
Mr Puggsly said:

That's the thing some of you just don't get. Windows Store can be viable for content not on Steam.

If Origin content was on Steam, I'm sure that would sell significantly better on Steam.

Viable in what way?.

Well of course and just look at how well Origin is doing just selling only EA games on a client that has only a few tiny features going for it if just the one.

YOu can be viable by doing what Steam does, just selling only MS games isn't going to put you on the same elvel fo Steam, the comparisons in the future just won't line up until we see all the features and qualities Steam has reached that the competition should have emulated years ago.

If yout hink about it Valve's own exclusives games are sold on Steam OS, Linux, all the windows versions to date, Mac OS and of course consoles, MS exclusives are only sold one a single console system and one OS. The whole sell two two groups is never ever going to stack up against the multiple ones and isn't likely to make you look that much better either, you either play the same game and rules or don't play at all.



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Johnw1104 on 09 June 2016

Everyone uses Steam... I recently had to buy something on EA's Origin and felt dirty doing so. Hopefully never have to again.



Chazore on 09 June 2016
Johnw1104 said:
Everyone uses Steam... I recently had to buy something on EA's Origin and felt dirty doing so. Hopefully never have to again.

I bought Battlefront for it;s full price and very dry lakclusture base game, it's DLC asking another £45 and I flat out went "nope" and decided to not buy another game from EA unless it comes complete and isn't always online based, chances of that happening though are very slim considering their history of games feature always online games with sparse replayability. I even waited for Titanfall to go cheap with it;s DLC but by that time the userbase was already on it's way out, either you pay full price and suffer from a lack of content and server browser with no mod support and always online, or buy the game at a cheaper price and suffer with there being little userbase to play with. With EA there isn't much to gain from and they still haven't gotten onto Steam's level with their client, same with Uplay.



Mankind, in its arrogance and self-delusion, must believe they are the mirrors to God in both their image and their power. If something shatters that mirror, then it must be totally destroyed.

Mr Puggsly on 10 June 2016
Sixteenvolt420 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

In a nutshell, Chrome OS is shit compared to Windows and its app support sucks. But its fine for basic stuff like web browsing, streaming, etc.

Hoestly, pretty much all that i do with my PC, is browse the web.

Well then maybe its the OS for you and hopefully you'll never need it for anything more.

I personally would never buy a Chrome OS computer because why get a machine that does significantly less than Windows? Given how irrelevant Chrome OS has been I guess most people agree with my logic.



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