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AbbathTheGrim said:
I wonder if countries will eventually pass legislation to control companies from replacing people with robots.

I doubt it, overall, its better for the stores profit and if countries make it illigal that store would not want to be placed in that country anymore, you need to make your country appealing for stores to settle because at the end of the day they pay so much taxes for the place they need to rent, taxes over every sold good and so forth, its a change that can't be stopped.

They need to create jobs in other sectors once these jobs are unavailable, thats the best sollution. Hire where there is need, Robots where its profitable. In Holland most jobs at those places however are done by students, so it wouldn't hurt the overall picture that much and they could probly create other jobs, but there are so much more fast food places in the US, then anywhere else! :(

SO it will deffenitely be the biggest deal in the US by a landslide




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Goatseye said:

How do you achieve that when most job opportunities are shipped somewhere else? It sure humbles American families but in no way it makes them stronger.

Then you bring value to your work by matching the demands of the market ... 

Jobs aren't about being fun, their god damned work! Everybody keeps teaching kids about being extremely comfortable or enthuisatic about their dream jobs but it's a stupid idea when it can't bring food to our table most of the time ... 

You MUST do jobs that get you money EVEN if you HATE it ... 



Im sorry, but this is what happens when you raise the wage. Corporations should only have to worry about making money end of story. It is YOU as the person who has the responsibility to adapt or else.



Automation, robots doing annoying tasks, should be something desired obviously towards human progress. The money the company saves without paying those salaries should benefit the company but partly the citizens as well (Human progress). That's already achieved through tax, but maybe adjustments would be needed if large numbers of basic tasks are replaced by robots. But basically the whole goal and idea behind this is that through more automation, humans would have to work less. Like we could end up having to spend less % of our weekly time at work. Shorter work weeks always happen through progress and it's a good thing. Also machines will replace low paying basic-tasks jobs by higher paying jobs (machine technicians, engineers, and a whole lot of things), also lets be real those jobs are also often more passionating that doing the same thing over and over forever, most ppl dislike that. Basically with these new better paying jobs and the increased revenue of the company and the citizens more tax money will be generated and if the money(wealth) is actually well spent and redistributed to the citizens it will end up benefiting all.

As more hours of work a week and a day diminish, because less work is needed that would mean humans could eventually focus on other things that just doing routinely tasks. More free hours means more free time for all. A small workforce will always be required though to maintain and monitor the machines but the hours needed to do so would be distributed to much less hourly weight on the population.

Also if anyone thinks this is a mentality against working hard or anything that is not the case because a huge amount of work and development would be needed for this but it is obviously possible with the technology today. Also I hope it's clear to everyone that working hourly wages is basically selling your time, so having to sell less of your time should be regarded as a good thing.



Azuren said:
I like how he immediately stops thinking about the welfare of employees in the face of making slightly less money. CEOs are scumbags.

He wasn't the one made an unreasonably high minimum wage.

Also, we can't stop progress to save jobs. As time goes on machines will inevitably replace a lot of jobs. Not necessarily a terrible thing, with machines doing a lot of the work perhaps that will create an opportunity for more people to go to school to develop a career.

If businesses are making more money and employeeing less people I'm guessing they will get taxed more. Atleast I assume.



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fatslob-:O said:
Goatseye said:

How do you achieve that when most job opportunities are shipped somewhere else? It sure humbles American families but in no way it makes them stronger.

Then you bring value to your work by matching the demands of the market ... 

Jobs aren't about being fun, their god damned work! Everybody keeps teaching kids about being extremely comfortable or enthuisatic about their dream jobs but it's a stupid idea when it can't bring food to our table most of the time ... 

You MUST do jobs that get you money EVEN if you HATE it ... 

Who said jobs are supposed to be like leisure?

This is our problem, we are not giving attention to trade/vocational schools; whereas, countries where American companies ship manufacturing and service jobs, have governments subsidizing 4 year and trade schools, allowing the trainee to accept low salaries for the same level of skill as that of Americans.

American government is not investing in the human resources in the US.

Damn it's late.



Well... i do wish there was a way for the employees to stopmessing up orders all the time... but this is perhaps overkill. Also, what happens if theres a malfunction? The restaurant closes for a few days? I don't think this is that clear an advantage.



jason1637 said:
JRPGfan said:

Do people want to eat at a resturant, where your meal is prepaired by a robot arm? and maybe you dont even have a guy takeing orders, but you talk into a mic like siri?

Is that really the future?
If they go that route just boycut eating there.

McDonalds be greedy :p

Well there would be less health risks if there was a robot preparing your meal compared to a human. 

That's debatable. A robot isn't likely to identify foreign materials that might get into the system, the way a human can.

 

Ultimately, this is the eventual path of the fast food industry. And that's fine. The issue is that we have no plan for what happens when a lot of the less human-necessary jobs are replaced with machines. It is eventually going to be completely unreasonable to expect people to work for a living, as there simply won't be enough jobs to even come close to providing everyone with the necessary work.

That's why we need something like the Guaranteed Minimum Income. Then, people who don't want to work, and are happy to live on a minimum income, can do so. The result would be a dramatic change in the amount we pay for various things - sports stars would end up earning less because so many more people would have the time to train towards sports (let's be honest, a lot of people would want to be sports stars if they didn't need to be concerned with making a living along the way), while those in particularly "undesirable" fields, such as cleaners, etc, would be paid a lot more.

All that said, the argument of "we shouldn't be paying our fast food workers more, because otherwise it becomes more economical to replace them with machines" is just ludicrous. People aren't going to accept buying from McDonalds if, instead of employing many workers, they just buy expensive machines, which are likely themselves made by machines. Society won't accept it.

But I'm guessing this is why he's "former" McDonalds USA CEO.



fatslob-:O said:
Pemalite said:


The USA is supposed to be the "land of opportunity" - But really it's anything but that.

There is a large fraction of the American population living in poverty or near poverty, why is that seen as acceptable?

The labour theory of value doesn't exactly match the demands of the market ... 

Just because it's hard physical human labour doesn't mean it's valuable just like how practically nobody values a farmers job ... 

Poverty is but a temporary state just like being wealthy is ... 

USA is the land of opportunity when it has the most amount of millionaires compared to ANY country out there ... 

Well. When you are the largest developed nation on Earth, you obviously will have the most millionairs as a total number, will be interesting to see how that changes with China's potential to displace the USA over the coming decades.

A more important figure would be millionaires per capita... Which Qatar, Switzerland, Singapore, Hong Kong, Kuwait, etc' beat the USA hands down.

The USA also has more people living in or at the poverty level than most other developed nations, serious income inequality.

With that said, majority of people aren't going to be wealthy, I have a few millionaires in my family, but I am unlikely to ever trend at that kind of wealth level and that is fine, because even on the average wage of 80 grand a year, I am not to bad off.

fatslob-:O said:
Goatseye said:

How do you achieve that when most job opportunities are shipped somewhere else? It sure humbles American families but in no way it makes them stronger.

Then you bring value to your work by matching the demands of the market ... 

Jobs aren't about being fun, their god damned work! Everybody keeps teaching kids about being extremely comfortable or enthuisatic about their dream jobs but it's a stupid idea when it can't bring food to our table most of the time ... 

You MUST do jobs that get you money EVEN if you HATE it ... 

Jobs can be fun, if you do it right.
I entered the job market when I was a teenager and scored a job that I enjoy, 12 years later I still enjoy it, but I had the right opportunities available to me that suited my wants, not everyone is so lucky.
I was also able to do that job whilst getting a degree, I didn't wait untill after I got the degree to get a job.


Fact of the matter is, your minimum wage is disgusting and there really isn't any need for it to be that low.




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Pemalite said:

Well. When you are the largest developed nation on Earth, you obviously will have the most millionairs as a total number, will be interesting to see how that changes with China's potential to displace the USA over the coming decades.

A more important figure would be millionaires per capita... Which Qatar, Switzerland, Singapore, Hong Kong, Kuwait, etc' beat the USA hands down.

The USA also has more people living in or at the poverty level than most other developed nations, serious income inequality.

With that said, majority of people aren't going to be wealthy, I have a few millionaires in my family, but I am unlikely to ever trend at that kind of wealth level and that is fine, because even on the average wage of 80 grand a year, I am not to bad off.

Most of the nations or special regions you mentioned have a much higher income equality than USA aside from switzerland ... 

There's only 10 or so developed nations that beat the US in terms of poverty rates according to CIA world factbook out of the 34 other developed nations ? 

That is not what I would describe as SERIOUS income equality ...

Pemalite said:

Jobs can be fun, if you do it right.
I entered the job market when I was a teenager and scored a job that I enjoy, 12 years later I still enjoy it, but I had the right opportunities available to me that suited my wants, not everyone is so lucky.
I was also able to do that job whilst getting a degree, I didn't wait untill after I got the degree to get a job.


Fact of the matter is, your minimum wage is disgusting and there really isn't any need for it to be that low.

That's FEDERAL minimum wage ... 

I'd much rather have a robot flipping my burgers than humans if it means paying less ...