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Miyamotoo said:
Wyrdness said:

Aonuma confirmed that to be a joke btw, the rumour was actually the's a playable female so it doesn't really mean Link.

Yes, but why on first place saying "No one explicitly said that that was Link",he only said he joking after fans become complaining because they want Link. Its most likely that of first place he tease something.

The prospect of a female Link has been going around among fans for around a decade mate that's what the joke was aimed at.



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Wyrdness said:

Emotes don't give your argument any more ground btw and make it look like a desperate attempt to look good by the way, you also have not responded to my points highlighting a lack of rebuttal on your side. The physical differences are minor and likely due to the different attire, Sheik wears masculine attire that not only is designed for more field centric tasks but also some slight combat so would be bulkier for some protection, using magic to change her skin, hair and eye colour fits exactly with what I've been saying that it's a use of magic and male attire.

Even look at the body, Sheik and Zelda both share the same slight hourglass like attribute, only difference is a slight height difference for Zelda which is likely due to wearing heels that she doesn't wear as Sheik. 

 

At least I do elaborate whenever I reply, not simply brushing off whatever the other person says by saying "you just proved my point"

I'm not trying to "look good". Like I replied to the other user, you have your views on it, I have mine. If you're not interested in having a nice chat about this, or just exploring every single angle before making a specific judgment, then you shouldn't keep replying to me, as I like to deconstruct people's arguments by just to see all the views we can before moving on. The thing is, there are noticeable differences between Zelda and Sheik, not merely a darker skin tone. You've somewhat acknowledge these but you still put them aside because it doesn't really fit your view.

Now you say Sheik wears combat attire, but I don't remember him fighting at any point in OoT, aside from throwing some deku nuts at Link. Isn't it a standard Sheikah outfit? Why would an attire modify the structural shoulder width, unless it used shoulder pads (which it clearly doesn't)? Arms and torso are bulkier, too. Zelda doesn't wear heels, but boots, so we still have an unexplicable height difference.

 

Magic can do wonders. Skin, hair, eyes...but where's the limit? Can't heigh and body musculature be alterated with magic as well? Why not the sex, too? What's preventing it? Zelda's shyness?



Wright said:

 

At least I do elaborate whenever I reply, not simply brushing off whatever the other person says by saying "you just proved my point"

I'm not trying to "look good". Like I replied to the other user, you have your views on it, I have mine. If you're not interested in having a nice chat about this, or just exploring every single angle before making a specific judgment, then you shouldn't keep replying to me, as I like to deconstruct people's arguments by just to see all the views we can before moving on. The thing is, there are noticeable differences between Zelda and Sheik, not merely a darker skin tone. You've somewhat acknowledge these but you still put them aside because it doesn't really fit your view.

Now you say Sheik wears combat attire, but I don't remember him fighting at any point in OoT, aside from throwing some deku nuts at Link. Isn't it a standard Sheikah outfit? Why would an attire modify the structural shoulder width, unless it used shoulder pads (which it clearly doesn't)? Arms and torso are bulkier, too. Zelda doesn't wear heels, but boots, so we still have an unexplicable height difference.

 

Magic can do wonders. Skin, hair, eyes...but where's the limit? Can't heigh and body musculature be alterated with magic as well? Why not the sex, too? What's preventing it? Zelda's shyness?

Except I am having a friendly chat I'm just letting you know how it comes across you don't really elaborate you just respond some times with something that's non existent or says nothing at all, if anything it is you trying to brush aside what doesn't help you, for example you try to dismiss the male attire part by claiming the was a change in argument when in fact the was more elaborating, the other changes are null and void in disproving my point as a change in hair and eye colour doesn't equal gender, it's like saying someone who dyes their hair and wears contacts has changed gender it doesn't even need to be addressed. Impa is a Sheikah as well and wears different attire indicating the is no one uniform for the tribe.

I'm going to assume you didn't read things properly as I said the attire is likely to be combat lite and field centric as in offer some lite protection for the tasks she has to do as even though you don't she her fight she no doubt would have to have some protection for herself. It would make sense that the attire being male centric as well as designed for her activities would be bulkier than royal attire. Boots also offer height differences in case you never knew.

Magic can do wonders in the world of fantasy but at this point it's just some speculating fans holding on to a theory that never was imo, why not use magic to turn into the Hulk and go and challenge Ganondorf with your piece of the Tri-force after all magic can do wonders right as the's no limit right?



Wyrdness said:
Miyamotoo said:

Yes, but why on first place saying "No one explicitly said that that was Link",he only said he joking after fans become complaining because they want Link. Its most likely that of first place he tease something.

The prospect of a female Link has been going around among fans for around a decade mate that's what the joke was aimed at.

Like so many other things, but he chosed to tease with that, there is probably some reason for that.



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Wyrdness said:

Except I am having a friendly chat I'm just letting you know how it comes across you don't really elaborate you just respond some times with something that's non existent or says nothing at all, if anything it is you trying to brush aside what doesn't help you, for example you try to dismiss the male attire part by claiming the was a change in argument when in fact the was more elaborating, the other changes are null and void in disproving my point as a change in hair and eye colour doesn't equal gender, it's like saying someone who dyes their hair and wears contacts has changed gender it doesn't even need to be addressed. Impa is a Sheikah as well and wears different attire indicating the is no one uniform for the tribe.

I'm going to assume you didn't read things properly as I said the attire is likely to be combat lite and field centric as in offer some lite protection for the tasks she has to do as even though you don't she her fight she no doubt would have to have some protection for herself. It would make sense that the attire being male centric as well as designed for her activities would be bulkier than royal attire. Boots also offer height differences in case you never knew.

Magic can do wonders in the world of fantasy but at this point it's just some speculating fans holding on to a theory that never was imo, why not use magic to turn into the Hulk and go and challenge Ganondorf with your piece of the Tri-force after all magic can do wonders right as the's no limit right?

 

Well, there's always the game conundrums. Zelda could definitively challenge Ganondorf, but the game treats her as a damsel in distress, despite being in possession of Wisdom. I guess if she could simply go and beat Ganondorf there wouldn't be much game. You could say something like "how come just a small gap prevents Link from going to Hyrule Castle and rescue Zelda", and you spend like an ungodly amount of time saving the Sages so that they simply open up a bridge for you to get to the castle (Yeah, they kind of help Zelda at the final battle, but still). Wasn't Zelda trained by Impa? She definitively knows how to move around herself.

Considering it is established that Zelda uses magic, it's really not a big leap to just think that she really transforms her whole self. She might be using contacts, and she might have dyed her hair. But then she went and used magic to change her skin. So why not use magic to change her eyes and hair? (Which is the most plausible thing). And then, since she has already changed a lot, why not change measurements or bodies for the time being? Zelda has no problems switching back and forth. Brawl and Melee employs a whole spell to swap Zelda for Sheik - and it's not just for hair, eyes and skin, the moveset itself is changed. You could say this is simply as a brawler distinction to make Zelda two different fighters, but even then, that's a hell of a lot of changes with the use of a single spell, wouldn't you say?

While we can't see the face, here's the Sheik OoT costume as DLC for Hyrule Warriors:

And here's Zelda (Couldn't find any better image, sorry. The official one has Zelda doing some funny movements and it doesn't show properly):

 

Even with a male attire, and being field centric, Sheik is just way bulkier than Zelda. There's tape around Sheik's chest, implying a binding of some sort. However, shoulder pads would restrict mobility and breast binding does not explain every physical difference, such as the difference in the shoulder-to-hip ratio and muscled arms. Before you mention the attire, look again at the arms. That clothes are skintight, yet Sheik's arms are bigger and stronger than Zelda's.

They're physically different. No matter how much masculine attire you put on yourself, there are some differences that can't be explained with clothing. Unless Zelda used magic to change them, which then again brings us to the point...



Wright said:

 

Well, there's always the game conundrums. Zelda could definitively challenge Ganondorf, but the game treats her as a damsel in distress, despite being in possession of Wisdom. I guess if she could simply go and beat Ganondorf there wouldn't be much game. You could say something like "how come just a small gap prevents Link from going to Hyrule Castle and rescue Zelda", and you spend like an ungodly amount of time saving the Sages so that they simply open up a bridge for you to get to the castle (Yeah, they kind of help Zelda at the final battle, but still). Wasn't Zelda trained by Impa? She definitively knows how to move around herself.

Considering it is established that Zelda uses magic, it's really not a big leap to just think that she really transforms her whole self. She might be using contacts, and she might have dyed her hair. But then she went and used magic to change her skin. So why not use magic to change her eyes and hair? (Which is the most plausible thing). And then, since she has already changed a lot, why not change measurements or bodies for the time being? Zelda has no problems switching back and forth. Brawl and Melee employs a whole spell to swap Zelda for Sheik - and it's not just for hair, eyes and skin, the moveset itself is changed. You could say this is simply as a brawler distinction to make Zelda two different fighters, but even then, that's a hell of a lot of changes with the use of a single spell, wouldn't you say?

While we can't see the face, here's the Sheik OoT costume as DLC for Hyrule Warriors:

And here's Zelda (Couldn't find any better image, sorry. The official one has Zelda doing some funny movements and it doesn't show properly):

 

Even with a male attire, and being field centric, Sheik is just way bulkier than Zelda. There's tape around Sheik's chest, implying a binding of some sort. However, shoulder pads would restrict mobility and breast binding does not explain every physical difference, such as the difference in the shoulder-to-hip ratio and muscled arms. Before you mention the attire, look again at the arms. That clothes are skintight, yet Sheik's arms are bigger and stronger than Zelda's.

They're physically different. No matter how much masculine attire you put on yourself, there are some differences that can't be explained with clothing. Unless Zelda used magic to change them, which then again brings us to the point...

You do know that the tape is a type of bandaging female ninjas used to hold their breast steady so they wouldn't hamper their movement as much as possible? That's another indicator the's no gender swap. Your image doesn't really back your stance as in game Sheik is not much different from Zelda in bulk size indicating further more it's an attire attribute, are you not aware that the attire can simply be a body suit of some sort that can have a slight thickness for protection?

These aren't uncommon and even that image of Sheik's DLC and Zelda make them look even closer as Sheik is not as bulky as in the art work as well as having a more hourglass like figure and Zelda's body proportions match with her even more.



Wyrdness said:

You do know that the tape is a type of bandaging female ninjas used to hold their breast steady so they wouldn't hamper their movement as much as possible? That's another indicator the's no gender swap. Your image doesn't really back your stance as in game Sheik is not much different from Zelda in bulk size indicating further more it's an attire attribute, are you not aware that the attire can simply be a body suit of some sort that can have a slick thickness for protection?

These aren't uncommon and even that image of Sheik's DLC and Zelda make them look even closer as Sheik is not as bulky as in the art work as well as having a more hourglass like figure and Zelda's body proportions match with her even more.

 

You look at it as an attire atribute, I look at it as magic. As far as the discussion goes, I think we can leave it here.



Yeah, that pic gave me huge technology vibes. But the sheikah related stuff was already known. I mean, since the reveal trailer and was later reinforced by this year's teaser with Link having that book... but glad to have it confirmed.

Btw, there is also these Sheikah marks (or is it Hylian?) on their E3-site:



The plot could be very interesting...



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Hmm, doesn't really matter to me, just want to see more gameplay :p



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