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Fusioncode said:
sabvre42 said:

Thats a pretty ignorant statement man....  

You're right.

8 people. 

I went to the shop the other day and most mid range  ($600-$1000) Tvs now support 4k. It's at a consumer Price point, so it's really just a matter of years now. Something like this would speed up the whole process, Sony would be doing the TV market a huge favour by pushing a "4k" PS4



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I've been reading some comments on this.

If this holds any truth to it, I can see a PS4.5 being a new trend for consoles where a semi-successor is released every 3 years but each one is promised support for 6 years. In other words PS4.5 and PS4 will overlap from 2016 to 2019 with all games working on both, but running at full 1080p 60fps on new hardware. I'd imagine if they are similar (x86) then devs should have no issue as software would just scale. The console price range still can't do 4K 30/60fs games.

That or this new hardware is just a new drive that supports 4K BD and HDR with APU not changing, and replaces current model.



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I love how this announcement made people show their true colours. As much as you hate Sony and the success of ps4, it won't stop it from being the best selling console and Sony will most certainly not end up like sega.

But a hater can dream, I guess.



SvennoJ said:
It was fun to read all the wishful thinking! Will never happen.

Why is a console cycle 6 years on average?
- The launch price of a console is justified by selling at a profit in the second half of the gen. That's when R&D costs, marketing, etc are made back, and used to fund the next version.
- The majority of the user base switches over during the second half of the gen when the machine is cheaper to make, cheaper to afford, and makes a bigger profit.
- Developers need to get used to the new hardware, they also need to invest in new game engines, then reap the benefits of experience and bigger margins in the second half of the gen which generates cash for the next transition.

Incremental hardware screws up this whole system:
- Less profit for the console manufacturer, system prices will need to be higher for all versions. Perhaps not as high as Steam boxes but definitely not $400 at launch. (or weaker hardware, also possible)
- Confusion for the customer. The majority of sales happen with the cheaper system (slim version) that can do all the main system can do. Now you have a new system back at launch price and an affordable yet not so attractive lesser system. Not to mention risking pissing off your early adopters.
- Developers now need to double the QA process and provide an optimized experience for multiple hardware specs, just as they get comfortable with the current system.


What does make sense is a slim ps4 with HDMI 2.0 port and HDR support for movies. A bigger HDD obviously. And maybe a version with dedicated VR port which can be bundled with a VR headset. Eliminating the need for the external box which saves money.

Yet Nintendo seemed happy with the new 3DS, why is their hardware situation so different? Can we really say less profit for console manufacturers without looking at how this will affect the longevity of the PS4 and overall hardware sales. Increments are certainly cheaper then introducing a whole new generation with a userbase starting from zero.

Also consumers are not that daft, as long as both PS4's play PS4 games, thats what they need to know. If they're budget, they buy the OG PS4, if not they buy the premium one. Again new 3DS went through the exact same hurdle

Also the very same things applied to developers and Motion controls. They'll  either get with the program or they will leave it, competition will ensure many at least put a half hearted effort in. Unlike motion controls, higher performance is something many gamers would want. And in any any case the existence of a higher power SKU to QA will not be causing any studio closures or having any significant effect on their bottom line, unlike the introduction of a whole new generation.

It seems strange that people are acting as if this an alien concept that the industry will reject as if the Pc market isn't built on the exact same principles. Consoles will become more and more like Pcs and everyone of the big have hinted at this being the future. I don't think it'll happen this year or even this generation but it will happen.



naruball said:
I love how this announcement made people show their true colours. As much as you hate Sony and the success of ps4, it won't stop it from being the best selling console and Sony will most certainly not end up like sega.

But a hater can dream, I guess.

 

What is this for? Several threads and topics make people show their colors. 

This is beyond fanboy wars or who is good or bad, it's a substantial change how consoles will be in the future. 

If you only care about people's colors, then perhaps you have a wrong picture of what this hobby is essentially about.



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walsufnir said:
naruball said:
I love how this announcement made people show their true colours. As much as you hate Sony and the success of ps4, it won't stop it from being the best selling console and Sony will most certainly not end up like sega.

But a hater can dream, I guess.

 

What is this for? Several threads and topics make people show their colors. 

This is beyond fanboy wars or who is good or bad, it's a substantial change how consoles will be in the future. 

If you only care about people's colors, then perhaps you have a wrong picture of what this hobby is essentially about.

Sure, if you say so.



wow a clickbait article from kotaku created a thread on vgchartz and we are up to nearly 200 comments already? and is it just me or why are some people writing a comment as if they believe this article and think this is legit?



potato_hamster said:

Tell me the incentive for third party developers to put in the extra time, money and effort to develop for more advanced hardware when there is zero indication it will lead to increased sales. If games aren't coming out that take advantage of the new hardware, you end up in "New Nintendo 3DS land", a console that has additional processing power over its predecessor that all but one game have ever taken advantage of - because there's literally no point in putting in the extra effort. None.

Obviously Sony has to make it easy for developers to change graphic settings between systems and in a way that already exists. Compare PC games to PS4/XB1, there is not much work to change resolution, fps, shadows, lighting, developers only need to use the extra HW power like they do in PC games. This whole generational thing consoles has had will disappear. There is no benefit of purposefully limiting your potential customer base with generational splits. Make a game, change settings and make it playable for PS4, PS4.5, PS5, XB1, XB1.5, PC, Nintendo, Steambox X/Y/Z, sell the game. We have already seen all the remasters this gen and those games sell but because of the last-gen spec hardlock, developers has had to put time, money and effort to make it work for PS4/XB1. Future games will be developed scalable from the very beginning so it can be sold to a wider audience right from the start and at the same time being future proof for coming hardware upgrades. Yes, of course this means there won't be "coding to the metal" to the same degree but when looked closely, "coding to the metal" does not really exist in 3rd party releases anyway, not compared to first party exclusives.

Things change and I don't believe console business is immune to change. This whole conversation follows the same path (not just this thread but in general about "change") where there is inevitable change happening and people start resisting it but in the end, the change will happen. Upgradeable HW+digital games combo will bury this current console model in the future.

edit: For console business I mean upgradeable HW in the sense of multiple SKUs varying in power.



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Ljink96 said:
Soundwave said:
Console generations are basically going to end. I've said it many times before. MS is already pursuing this and so is Sony, Nintendo also has patents for upgradable consoles.

The business is changing, you guys will need to get used to it.

I agree for the most part. The only fork in the road is Nintendo. True, Nintendo might have patents for upgradable consoles and I would welcome it. But they are still dead set on making new experiences which more than likely require new hardware components. For PS and XB, upgradable consoles will basically be PCs with proprietary controllers, which I wouldn't mind as long as there are exclusives. I wonder what the future holds for consoles vs. PC. I feel that eventually they'll hit a stalemate in terms of graphical and performance capability.

There are 2 types of upgradable consoles that could be made:

1: DIY Hardware Upgradable

An upgradable console would be interesting, however it would have to be developed first for dummies. Most likely, the majority of people who own consoles don't know how to build a computer. A console is still a computer. If an upgradable console is made, it have to be fool proof.

2: Prebuilt Upgradable

I think this is more like the PS 4.5. This would be the more appealing choice. It'd be basically the same build with better specs. I think this is stable and would be a much better way to approach a console generation. But as you said, it'd be the end of generations which I think is a good idea. However, as I said, NIntendo usually requires new hardware for each console. Unless they break that mentality soon, they'll be doing it the old fashioned way for a while.

There is an Option 3 and what alienware have done with their laptops.

Basically you get a laptop with a decent mobile card to give you the 30fps.

Then you can attach an external box via a cable (forgot the connection type) which basically boosts it to PC level.



 

 

I don't even know how ppl can believe a crap rumor like this one.

Sony know they will hardly flop with something like that, it will never happen, not after wxhat they did since the beginning of this generation.

They don't need to change anything to keep selling tons of console, except maybe a ps4-slim, with more options.And of course more fp games.

SvennoJ said everything.