Wow... i'm surprised. Both this and the paper mario game are looking amazing visually.
Wow... i'm surprised. Both this and the paper mario game are looking amazing visually.
JWeinCom said:
And your sample is completely non-random, there is no way you have spoken to enough people to get an accurate picture, etc etc. So using this as some sort of proof that reviewers are wrong is silly, and all your comments are basically meaningless. You can say you disagree with the critics, but anything beyond that is nonsense. |
The whole point of my comments were to say that popular review sites are bought and paid for long before they review a triple A game. Game journalism is very broken. While they can't directly pay for a review of a game, they can buy the entire sites adspace just before their game releases, in return for a solid review of said game. This along with sending reviewers early review copies and being flown out to places like Venice to stay in 5-star hotels for a week to play a half hour of games.
Asking for numbers of fan opinion of a video game which is well known is nonsense. Google that shit.
mZuzek said:
Because linearity is not necessarily a bad thing. That's exactly what I was saying. If you accept Skyward Sword for what it is - a linear, story-based Zelda experience, it's a shining example of how to make an incredible game. The story is amazing, all of the ground areas are EXTREMELY well designed with very clever puzzles, and awesome designs that take you on a linear path the first time through but open up for free exploration later on as you get more items. The dungeons are by far the best in the franchise, the combat is amazing, the boss battles are (mostly) really good, and well, I could go on and on. Linearity isn't a bad thing. And about redundancy, I don't see how it's a big problem in Skyward Sword. Yes, fighting the Imprisoned three times was really unnecessary and annoying, but that aside? No big deal. Revisiting areas was awesome because you always got to explore them in a much faster way and with a lot more freedom, and finding entire new areas right next to what you had just explored was really satisfying and added a lot of depth to the world. Fighting Ghirahim three times was great because all three fights were very different from each other, and you could really tell how he was developing as a character and villain more and more - being a bad guy who doesn't even care about you at the beginning of the game, to falling into absolute hatred at the end. As I said, I could go on and on. And I feel like I've made better arguments than "diehard fanboy apologists praise this game regardless of everything that makes it bad". |
The linearity would be excused if the game wasn't so weak on actual content. There is far too much fluff in SS making it stretch out to 50 hours. No game reciveing 10 out of fucking 10 should ever get away with this.
And just as easily as you can argue that the redundancy is fun somehow, I can say it isn't. Let's talk about the bane of SS, Fi. No, let's not. Because we'd be here all day. She slows the already slow game to a crawl with her explinations of explinations. Despite how good these puzzles you mention are, Fi usually turns their obvious solutions into visible flashing red arrows.
The backtracking is pointelss. Gathering the notes in the water for part of a song you need to hear with irritating swimming controls is busy work in a game with way too much padding already. The fetch questing in this game is taken to levels never seen in Zelda, with you flying to an island three times and back just to heal a bird or something. I don't know about you but my wrist doesn't enjoy being bent at the angle you have to bend to fly downward. Which is often since the bird is slower than a wagon on square wheels.
Fighting the Imprisioned once is "a little annoying and irritating". 3 times is torture, this isn't Boom-Boom from Super Mario Bros. 3. This is a huge boss with two weakpoints on opposite ends and 3 fights that go on for way, way too long. Let's not mention the fact that you're supposed to be having FUN at bosses, not shouting "FINALLY, goddamn, what a nuisance ... AGAIN?!"
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| Dr.Vita said: I still think that this Star Fox game looks terrible. Looks like a Gamecube game imo. |
you realize that there WAS a Starfox shooter (Starfox Assault) for the Gamecube and it looks nothing at all like this? (much worse). I agree this doesn't look that great visually but its light years better than the Gamecube iteration
The whole point of my comments were to say that popular review sites are bought and paid for long before they review a triple A game. Game journalism is very broken. While they can't directly pay for a review of a game, they can buy the entire sites adspace just before their game releases, in return for a solid review of said game. This along with sending reviewers early review copies and being flown out to places like Venice to stay in 5-star hotels for a week to play a half hour of games. Asking for numbers of fan opinion of a video game which is well known is nonsense. Google that shit. |
No, because I didn't make the claim. If you're trying to prove a point, then you have to prove it. I'd ask you to back up your own shit, but you've already admitted your only "evidence" is anecdotal, and reading comments on message boards is neither random, sufficient, nor accurate data.
You're argument is that game journalists can not be trusted because Skyward Sword was not a good game. Your evidence for that is that you didn't like it and some people on the internet agree with you. And that all the people who don't agree with you are wrong because they're fanboys. Lolol.
You either have the support to make a claim, or you don't. You don't.
JWeinCom said:
No, because I didn't make the claim. If you're trying to prove a point, then you have to prove it. I'd ask you to back up your own shit, but you've already admitted your only "evidence" is anecdotal, and reading comments on message boards is neither random, sufficient, nor accurate data. You're argument is that game journalists can not be trusted because Skyward Sword was not a good game. Your evidence for that is that you didn't like it and some people on the internet agree with you. And that all the people who don't agree with you are wrong because they're fanboys. Lolol. You either have the support to make a claim, or you don't. You don't. |
There is no confident way to datamine fan opinion on a video game, random, sufficient or accurate. What you're asking for does not exist; the only way to back up any kind of opinion like this is by knowing what the opinion of the game is as a whole. That is done by the way I have stated in my previous posts. You are aware of what fan opinion of SS is, with the majority completely disagreing with major reviewers. Not everything needs a citation, professor.
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Wyrdness said:
Not really tbh. |
That video actually proved his point. Sure compared to the N64 game it looks loads better but when compared to the GameCube version not so much.
In fact most of that video steers away from comparing the GameCube and Wii U games. In my opinion the Wii U game just looks like a remastered version of the GameCube game. Which is fine, it is better, but it could have been loads better had Nintendo given it a full development cycle and planned things out ahead of time.
IkePoR said:
There is no confident way to datamine fan opinion on a video game, random, sufficient or accurate. What you're asking for does not exist; the only way to back up any kind of opinion like this is by knowing what the opinion of the game is as a whole. That is done by the way I have stated in my previous posts. You are aware of what fan opinion of SS is, with the majority completely disagreing with major reviewers. Not everything needs a citation, professor. |
"There is no confident way to datamine fan opinion on a video game, random, sufficient or accurate."
So there's no way to get accurate data to support your opinion, but you're still going to tell me it's true. XD
"That is done by the way I have stated in my previous posts."
You mean by talking to your friends, and looking at comments on reviews? Lulz. Just so happens I've also been on message boards, talked to friends, and read comments and the majority of people really liked Skyward Sword. So it appears we are at an impasse.
"You are aware of what fan opinion of SS is, with the majority completely disagreing with major reviewers. "
Nope. I absolutely am not aware of this. In fact, my observations show just the opposite. But, I don't assume that my limited information actually represents "the majority". Cause I'm smart enough to know about things like sampling methods, the unreliability of anecdotal evidence, confirmation bias, and about how evidence and reason work in general. So, I'm smart enough to know that presenting my observations as some sort of objective fact would make me look quite foolish. That's why they call me "professor" :).
JWeinCom said:
"There is no confident way to datamine fan opinion on a video game, random, sufficient or accurate." So there's no way to get accurate data to support your opinion, but you're still going to tell me it's true. XD "That is done by the way I have stated in my previous posts." You mean by talking to your friends, and looking at comments on reviews? Lulz. Just so happens I've also been on message boards, talked to friends, and read comments and the majority of people really liked Skyward Sword. So it appears we are at an impasse. "You are aware of what fan opinion of SS is, with the majority completely disagreing with major reviewers. " Nope. I absolutely am not aware of this. In fact, my observations show just the opposite. But, I don't assume that my limited information actually represents "the majority". Cause I'm smart enough to know about things like sampling methods, the unreliability of anecdotal evidence, confirmation bias, and about how evidence and reason work in general. So, I'm smart enough to know that presenting my observations as some sort of objective fact would make me look quite foolish. That's why they call me "professor" :). |
Do you have any evidence of the majority of people liking Skyward Sword? Do you have any resaerch or sampling methods to back your statement?
I never presented anything I've said about Skyward Sword as fact. Hopefully you are smart enough to know you imagined this.
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| elektranine said: That video actually proved his point. Sure compared to the N64 game it looks loads better but when compared to the GameCube version not so much.
In fact most of that video steers away from comparing the GameCube and Wii U games. In my opinion the Wii U game just looks like a remastered version of the GameCube game. Which is fine, it is better, but it could have been loads better had Nintendo given it a full development cycle and planned things out ahead of time. |
Not really it highlights the difference between the GC and SF0, you yourself say it looks like a remaster even with the compressed footage of SF0 if you watch more direct footage of SF0 you get an idea of how much better it looks.