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spemanig said:
gintama said:
is it essential to the story ? i don't think so

Is being straight essential to the story? i don't think so

For Vader, Padme, Leia and Han, yes.  Otherwise, no.

OT: Doesn't effect me one way or the other, certain characters can not be (listed above), no reason to believe there wouldn't be any homosexuals throughout the rest of the SW universe, given the prevalence of homosexuality among humans on Earth, and among wildlife on Earth.  



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As long as they leave the fleshsaber battles out.



 

JWeinCom said:

I gotta say, I would HATE to watch movies directed by the people in these comments.  They seem to think ANY detail not essential to the plot should be taken out entirely.

[...]

I could go on for literally days and days.  The point is that movies have TONS AND TONS of unessential details that nobody complains about.  Because that's how you fucking develop a character.  If you stipped down a story to only the details that are absolutely essential to the plot, you'd have a boring as shit story with flat characters that would last like ten minutes.   Those little details are what brings characters to life, opens up a story for interpretation, and makes it interesting.  Is Romeo's crush on Rosalind necessary to the plot?  No.  But it does call into question how legit his feelings for Juliet are.

So why is it that we don't mind when we find out other details about characters?   Why can't being gay just be one of those details that helps flesh out a character? Why don't we get upset when characters don't like white chocolate, or when characters play Galaga?  Why is this the only unnessential detail we get bent out of shape about? 

Cause you don't like gay characters. Real talk.

 

 

P.S.  Please don't go through the list trying to pick out individual examples. They were off the top of my head, and may not all be perfect.

I won't pick up individual examples, and I actually agree that adding details in many cases helps developing realistic characters and that having a gay character can be part of this, but Star Wars is a poor example, Lucas added so many unessential details to the prequel trilogy that he not only made it a bit boring, but then he felt forced to obsessively-compulsively and, what's worse, pedantically rewrite the original trilogy to make it match with the prequels, pissing off a large part of the old fans: Lucas, old geezer, who cares about your pedantic trimming, you should have just left enough things untold in the prequels to avoid having to ruin the old trilogy with that nonsense!

FragilE^ said:
2 things.

1. We have NO IDEA what sexuality 99% of the people in Starwars have. They could all be gay. Why are you assuming they're straight just because they're not over the top gay stereotypes?

2. Star Wars is actually... fictional... I know, this is totally crazy, but hear me out. Star Wars isn't real. It doesn't have to represent anything. There are a plethora of crazy alien species who, for all we know, fucks rocks or whatever. Who cares.


They can do whatever they want, and include or decide not to include anything.

They could be more than we suspect at first! See below.

haxxiy said:

But we already have a lovely couple of them in the movie.

And don't forget these two!

    



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Alby_da_Wolf said:

 

JWeinCom said:

I gotta say, I would HATE to watch movies directed by the people in these comments.  They seem to think ANY detail not essential to the plot should be taken out entirely.

[...]

I could go on for literally days and days.  The point is that movies have TONS AND TONS of unessential details that nobody complains about.  Because that's how you fucking develop a character.  If you stipped down a story to only the details that are absolutely essential to the plot, you'd have a boring as shit story with flat characters that would last like ten minutes.   Those little details are what brings characters to life, opens up a story for interpretation, and makes it interesting.  Is Romeo's crush on Rosalind necessary to the plot?  No.  But it does call into question how legit his feelings for Juliet are.

So why is it that we don't mind when we find out other details about characters?   Why can't being gay just be one of those details that helps flesh out a character? Why don't we get upset when characters don't like white chocolate, or when characters play Galaga?  Why is this the only unnessential detail we get bent out of shape about? 

Cause you don't like gay characters. Real talk.

 

 

P.S.  Please don't go through the list trying to pick out individual examples. They were off the top of my head, and may not all be perfect.

I won't pick up individual examples, and I actually agree that adding details in many cases helps developing realistic characters and that having a gay character can be part of this, but Star Wars is a poor example, Lucas added so many unessential details to the prequel trilogy that he not only made it a bit boring, but then he felt forced to obsessively-compulsively and, what's worse, pedantically rewrite the original trilogy to make it match with the prequels, pissing off a large part of the old fans: Lucas, old geezer, who cares about your pedantic trimming, you should have just left enough things untold in the prequels to avoid having to ruin the old trilogy with that nonsense!

Of course you can go overboard, but I don't really think that was the problem with the prequels.  The prequels were boring because it had flat shitty characters.  Anakin seems as though he's simply waiting for his cue to turn evil, Natalie Portman only seems to like Anakin because the script demanded it, and the Jedi can't see the evil Sith Lord standing two inches from their face.

I actually think some more details to flesh out these characters would have been a good thing, assuming those details were chosen properly.  



Ummm, already do: C3PO??



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JWeinCom said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

 

I won't pick up individual examples, and I actually agree that adding details in many cases helps developing realistic characters and that having a gay character can be part of this, but Star Wars is a poor example, Lucas added so many unessential details to the prequel trilogy that he not only made it a bit boring, but then he felt forced to obsessively-compulsively and, what's worse, pedantically rewrite the original trilogy to make it match with the prequels, pissing off a large part of the old fans: Lucas, old geezer, who cares about your pedantic trimming, you should have just left enough things untold in the prequels to avoid having to ruin the old trilogy with that nonsense!

Of course you can go overboard, but I don't really think that was the problem with the prequels.  The prequels were boring because it had flat shitty characters.  Anakin seems as though he's simply waiting for his cue to turn evil, Natalie Portman only seems to like Anakin because the script demanded it, and the Jedi can't see the evil Sith Lord standing two inches from their face.

I actually think some more details to flesh out these characters would have been a good thing, assuming those details were chosen properly.  

I agree with you about using also details to make characters less shallow, the area that Lucas filled with too many details (and in a way not very clever too, to add insult to injury) wasn't in the characters, but in the plot of the prequels, he did it manically and pedantically, but also clumsily, he specified so many things that he could have left untold, that they ended up clashing with the original trilogy (although I can even imagine that in some cases they clashed just in his mind, the poor old jeezer isn't anymore the brilliant man of his glorious past) making him feel compelled to fix it, that actually didn't need it at all.

What happened is also one of the main reasons why I hate prequels.   



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Here we are once again with a topic about Movies/Games and gays.

It's completely normal for a person to be gay if he/she was born that way. It doesn't matter if "You or anyone else" believes it to be a choice, which it isn't and that is a fact that can't be disproved by valid, academically correct evidence cuz there are none. The point is: People are making such a fuzz over it, it becomes a form of harrasment towards owe's sexuality. Does it matter if there are gay-characters in entertainment? Of course not, i think it's good cuz the more we see of it, the more used to it we get, the more we get used to it, the more normal it becomes to view gays as normal human-beings



 

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http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/mark-hamill-star-wars-character-luke-skywalker-could-be-gay/news-story/fe59a5b64069301aae0632418393f0cf



 

 

Cobretti2 said:
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/mark-hamill-star-wars-character-luke-skywalker-could-be-gay/news-story/fe59a5b64069301aae0632418393f0cf

He had an evil and monstrous dad and a mom that let herself die leaving two sons as orphans, then he nearly fucked his sister, finally he discovers to be gay: won't people think Star Wars is suggesting that being gay is actually becoming so and the outcome of a sick family environment?   



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
Cobretti2 said:
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/mark-hamill-star-wars-character-luke-skywalker-could-be-gay/news-story/fe59a5b64069301aae0632418393f0cf

He had an evil and monstrous dad and a mom that let herself die leaving two sons as orphans, then he nearly fucked his sister, finally he discovers to be gay: won't people think Star Wars is suggesting that being gay is actually becoming so and the outcome of a sick family environment?   

or it could be a "Once you go Yoda you ain't coming back" scenario