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binary solo said:
it's the problem of the monopoly. Youtube has a monopoly and therefore can become abusive without having to worry about losing anything. So someone needs to make a competing service. I think these professional youtubers should get together ans start their own "Youtube Pro" service, although not call it "Youtube" of course. Call it "Fairtube" or something. Then leave youtube to become a wasteland of cat videos. They have the subscriber and viewer base to make a sustainable alternative, if enough of them get together and start their own thing.

All other youtube type channels have failed. Youtube is too popular now.



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think-man said:
binary solo said:
it's the problem of the monopoly. Youtube has a monopoly and therefore can become abusive without having to worry about losing anything. So someone needs to make a competing service. I think these professional youtubers should get together ans start their own "Youtube Pro" service, although not call it "Youtube" of course. Call it "Fairtube" or something. Then leave youtube to become a wasteland of cat videos. They have the subscriber and viewer base to make a sustainable alternative, if enough of them get together and start their own thing.

All other youtube type channels have failed. Youtube is too popular now.

They failked because it was too soon, and because people haven't got sufficiently pissed off, and really popular individual professional youtubers weren't numerous enough to go off and start their own thing. I think the time is near when a competing service can get started and attract a lot of people with a high subscriber base. Where the youtuber goes the subscriber base will follow. Since what Google is doing is, as Jim says, legal, then without an alternative place to go the abuse will continue because companies don't give a shit about what's ethical unless there's money in being ethical, the only way to make a company care about ethics is to have another service that takes revenue away from them.



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Youtubers whining and creating controversy around themselves in hopes of getting sympathy from the viewers are the worst kind of videos. LOL 20 minute videos to explain it, just get to the point. If it is that bad, you have patreon.

"content creators" is stretching it, videos about you playing games, you can do it for free.

I wish Google stopped paying the "gaming channels", then we'd see who does it out of love for games and who doesn't, like how it was before. I imagine all the awful let's play stuff with people screaming for attention will stop.



Turkish said:
Youtubers whining and creating controversy around themselves in hopes of getting sympathy from the viewers are the worst kind of videos. LOL 20 minute videos to explain it, just get to the point. If it is that bad, you have patreon.

"content creators" is stretching it, videos about you playing games, you can do it for free.

I wish Google stopped paying the "gaming channels", then we'd see who does it out of love for games and who doesn't, like how it was before. I imagine all the awful let's play stuff with people screaming for attention will stop.

Did you watch any of the videos actually? This is not about let's players. This is a about people who put an insane amount of work and dedication into their videos and still get screwed over. (Not knocking let's players btw. some of them, like VGA have insane production values.)

Have you ever watched a nostalgia critic video? Especially one of the more recent ones? Yes, he rewiews things (not games btw.), but he has a studio, actors for sketches, people decicated to make-up and props. Hell, some of his rewiews don't use any original film material at all, because it's all done with comedic reanactments and the videos still got claimed. This is these peoples livelyhood, not just some entitled pricks whining.

I'm an illustrator, I love my job. I still intent on getting payed for my hard work. The desire to get payed, doesn't say anything about your dedication to your craft. And if someone were to steal my work and sell it as their own that would be a crime and I would do my best to get word about it out there. This is not much diffrent. It's giant coorparations bullying content creators.



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SuperNova said:
Turkish said:
Youtubers whining and creating controversy around themselves in hopes of getting sympathy from the viewers are the worst kind of videos. LOL 20 minute videos to explain it, just get to the point. If it is that bad, you have patreon.

"content creators" is stretching it, videos about you playing games, you can do it for free.

I wish Google stopped paying the "gaming channels", then we'd see who does it out of love for games and who doesn't, like how it was before. I imagine all the awful let's play stuff with people screaming for attention will stop.

Did you watch any of the videos actually? This is not about let's players. This is a about people who put an insane amount of work and dedication into their videos and still get screwed over. (Not knocking let's players btw. some of them, like VGA have insane production values.)

Have you ever watched a nostalgia critic video? Especially one of the more recent ones? Yes, he rewiews things (not games btw.), but he has a studio, actors for sketches, people decicated to make-up and props. Hell, some of his rewiews don't use any original film material at all, because it's all done with comedic reanactments and the videos still got claimed. This is these peoples livelyhood, not just some entitled pricks whining.

I'm an illustrator, I love my job. I still intent on getting payed for my hard work. The desire to get payed, doesn't say anything about your dedication to your craft. And if someone were to steal my work and sell it as their own that would be a crime and I would do my best to get word about it out there. This is not much diffrent. It's giant coorparations bullying content creators.

Nostalgia critic is big enough to start a patreon, just like Jim Sterling and CGR did.

I hope Google ends the ad revenue program so people who do it for the money(ie the abundance of annoying LPers) will stop making videos and the interesting ones with production values will be left over.



Turkish said:
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Nostalgia critic is big enough to start a patreon, just like Jim Sterling and CGR did.

I hope Google ends the ad revenue program so people who do it for the money(ie the abundance of annoying LPers) will stop making videos and the interesting ones with production values will be left over.

I don't know why the notagia critic doesn't want to set up a patreon, but he has said in the past that he doesn't and that any money you woud want to donate should go to charitys, hence the charity shout out he does at the end of every video.

You do realize that part of 'having production values' is investing time and money right? Someone who is just starting out is not going to have the same production values as a ten year vetaeran who does Youtube full time. Ad revenue is a means for people just starting out to get a chance to build communities and better their production values. You can't set up a patreon if your audience isn't big enough yet, to carry you, so you have to have a full time job on the side. All the while still upkeeping professional production values. Things grow over time.

But you might get your whish either way, as far as I'm aware ad revenue is down dramatically as it is. The result of that is that you're going to see more popular youtubers do sponsored content. Totalbiscuit, Game Theorie and Pbg all have worked with sponsors before, some of them having done entire episodes about games that were sposored.

All of this isn't really the issue here though. The issue is that Youtube allows Coorparations to essentially break laws. They even monetize videos that had no monetization to begin with. The Jimquisition has no ads, yet when it gets claimed by someone, they can run ads on it and make money off of his content, while his viewership has to sit through ads on a show that should be ad free.

The worst part is that there is no burden of proof that you actually own any of the claimed content. You could go and file a manual claim on some big Youtubers video right now and start making money of something you had no hand in creating. You will have made the bulk of the money before your claim get varified as false and in the meantime you can just go on to the next videos, without repercussion. This system straight up encourages fraud.



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