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PowerXXX on 27 January 2016
Swordmasterman said:
PowerXXX said:

All i have to say to this article is.....

LOL

Another Japan expert who doesn't have the slightest clue of what he is talking about. He is comparing a country with 50+ markets.

If 2+ million is low, with his logic Sony should stop selling PS4 in England too.

Also he should do a better research and see that PS4 is ahead of PS3 in Japan. But this is probably too hard for him.

He is  Clueless, the Japanese's  home console market is woth more than 3.3 Billions of US$, the Korean, and the Germany video game market, with all the markets, Mobile, Pc, Console, are the 2 closest markets to Japan, in Video Game, and the Whole market of those countries are 3.6, and 4 Billions of US$,  Japan, is one of Sony's most profitable market, Playstation 4, is avaliable on 137 Countries i think, and sold 12 Millions on USA, and 2+ Millions on Japan, it launched much later on Japan, than other countries, and still sold Playstation 4, like the other European countries, or even more, and have a Health competitor that is the Wii U, that sold more than 3 Millions.

 

What we have on United Kingdom ? (that is more than 1 country), 5 Millions or + with PS4, XBOX ONE, Wii U, and on Japan (1 country), with PS4+ Xbox One, and Wii U, also have 5+ Millions of consoles sold.

 

I think it's one of these click-bait articles. They are writing something that they know it would make a fuss and most of the times it's 100% wrong or out of touch with what is really happening.



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PowerXXX on 27 January 2016
RolStoppable said:
PowerXXX said:

Does it matter if it didn't do it in five years? PS2 has the biggest launch in history in Japan but i am not making a fuss about it. It also cracked the 5 million fastest than 3DS. So? Nintendo consoles do good in the first years but after they hit the bottom of the barrel more earlier than it's competitors. Wii was practically dead after 3-4 years and PS3 was going strong for 8 years. PSP the same. While DS was dead, there were some weeks it was outselling even 3DS.

Yes, it matters, because the timeframe I am using for comparison is five years. And it's five years because there has yet to be data for the 3DS for year six and beyond.

The 3DS reached the 5m mark faster than the PS2 too. Not that it makes any difference to the point I was making, but it's a necessary correction, otherwise some people might actually believe what you said.

The rest of your post has nothing to do with the discussion anymore. You are just trying to add more things because you and others were wrong on the original point of contention.

 

The only one that was wrong was you with what you said (there is only one japanese console manufacturer left).

PS4 is the fastest console in the history yet you only mention the 3DS......

Enough said.....



PowerXXX on 27 January 2016
RolStoppable said:
PowerXXX said:

The only one that was wrong was you with what you said (there is only one japanese console manufacturer left).

PS4 is the fastest console in the history yet you only mention the 3DS......

Enough said.....

If I gave you a formal apology for my first sentence in this thread, would you be willing to stop disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreeing?

PS4 is the fastest console in history in regards to what? Definitely not in anything that would be relevant to this thread. But I'll hear you out.

You don't need to give an apology about anything. I am not disagreeing with you only to disagree. We are expressing opinions and point of views for the most part. Your first sentence was wrong and out of touch but i didn't take it much seriously if you saw the first time i quoted it. I too sometimes i am exaggerating.

You say that PS4 being the fastest console in history is irrelevant in this thread. You were the one that said something irrelevant. That 3DS hit the 20 million in 5 years. What has this to do with anything about this thread? A thread about the mobile dominance and the slow PS4 sales in Japan. 





Train wreck on 27 January 2016
RolStoppable said:

People, the 3DS has sold about 20m units in five years which puts it ahead of every PlayStation system in history over a five year span. In the same timeframe, the 3DS had 20 games which sold 1m+ copies, tying it with the PlayStation 2's lifetime total.

Train wreck claimed that mobile is killing everything in Japan, but a short and simple fact check makes it clear that such a claim is completely false.

What does the 3DS unit sales versus playstation and number of 1m sellers have to do with the mobile market?

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2015-06-15-mobile-pushes-japanese-games-industry-to-record-usd9-6b-value

Japan total gaming revenue in 2014 9.6B. Mobile gaming revenue 5.8B, PC gaming revunue .6M, All console hardware and software 3.2B

Nintendo IR 2014: Total sales japan (hardware and software) 1.14B (24.6 % of their overall revenue)

So just from those data points alone we know that the mobile sales were 5x more than of anything Nintendo put out in Japan in 2014.  3DS and Wii sales fell in 2015.  So yes I'm claiming that mobile is killing everything in Japan because it is, and simple fact checking would led you to the same conclusion.





Valdath on 27 January 2016

154 million DS sales and 80 million PSP sales vs 58 million 3DS sales and 13 million Vita sales

"Mobile isn't killing handhelds at all guys!"


How about 3DS being the worst selling nintendo handheld of all time?



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PowerXXX on 27 January 2016
RolStoppable said:
PowerXXX said:

You don't need to give an apology about anything. I am not disagreeing with you only to disagree. We are expressing opinions and point of views for the most part. Your first sentence was wrong and out of touch but i didn't take it much seriously if you saw the first time i quoted it. I too sometimes i am exaggerating.

You say that PS4 being the fastest console in history is irrelevant in this thread. You were the one that said something irrelevant. That 3DS hit the 20 million in 5 years. What has this to do with with anything about this thread? A thread about the mobile dominance and the slow PS4 sales in Japan. 

But if I don't apologize, you might continue to hold it against me despite saying that you won't. I am sorry for that baiting comment.

Again, what is it that the PS4 has done faster than anything else?

This thread is about why Japan no longer matters for PlayStation. Based on this headline, there are two things that absolutely must be mentioned:

1. PlayStation 4
2. PlayStation Vita

You can't really give a satisfying explanation without addressing both of them, and bringing up these devices also necessitates to at least briefly mention their respective competitors. That's what I criticized this article for. Then Train wreck said that the handheld market doesn't need to be mentioned because mobile gaming is killing everything in Japan anyway. At that point it was necessary to list sales achievements of the 3DS to show that the market for dedicated gaming hardware and software is far from dead in Japan. And all that is relevant to the topic at hand.

 

As i said you didn't need to apologize. I wouldn't hold it against you either. Anybody can write some bait comment once in a while. Even me.

The thing PS4 had done is that it's fastest console in the history of gaming. I don't think this is a small thing especially in these times. If you think this is not something important fine by me. But it is a huge win for this industry. And this is what is the most important.

I really can't comment anything more about the article. It's a clickbait article. A joke. And i explained the reasons earlier of why i think like that.



PowerXXX on 27 January 2016
Valdath said:
154 million DS sales and 80 million PSP sales vs 58 million 3DS sales and 13 million Vita sales

"Mobile isn't killing handhelds at all guys!"


How about 3DS being the worst selling nintendo handheld of all time?

 

How dare you. Bringing common sense in here.

3DS is the savor of Japan. You should go and take a look at those Media Create threads in GAF where 3DS is called the savor of gaming and that all the japanese games should only be released for 3DS.



FunFan on 27 January 2016
spemanig said:
I remember saying that console gaming was dead in Japan and I remember people saying that the PS4 would save it and I remember saying it wouldn't.

Now I can remember being right.

I'm also ready to be right in refuting the absurd notion that it'll take generations for console gaming to become digital only. It's starting this generation.

you should had provided a link to those posts/threads. You know, for the laughs.





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FunFan on 27 January 2016

Seems like the current PlayStation platforms aren't as popular with Japanese customers as they are with Japanese Devs. What gives?



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PowerXXX on 27 January 2016
RolStoppable said:
PowerXXX said:

As i said you didn't need to apologize. I wouldn't hold it against you either. Anybody can write some bait comment once in a while. Even me.

The thing PS4 had done is that it's fastest console in the history of gaming. I don't think this is a small thing especially in these times. If you think this is not something important fine by me. But it is a huge win for this industry. And this is what is the most important.

I really can't comment anything more about the article. It's a clickbait article. A joke. And i explained the reasons earlier of why i think like that.

 But even if we look at worldwide sales, the PS4 is second to the Wii.

PS4 was beating Wii untill September. It also breaked many milestones earlier than Wii. I don't know why youa re trying so hard to prove otherwise. It seems that the PS4 success bothers you. Maybe it's just me..... But Wii managed to do these numbers in a healthy market back then. Not dominated by mobile. And it managed to get the casual audience. With few words it was a lighting in a bottle. And that's why it couldn't sell more than 100 million. In the end even the PS3 got near it not only in Japan (10.5m vs 12m) but even worldwide (90m vs 100m).

PS4 will probably outsell Wii in the end. Sony consoles have a tendency of selling for a long time even after the successor is out.