its not possible. it amazes me that people instantly jump to this conclusion when the game got delayed.
Considering the Calculation, do you still believe a cross release? | |||
| Yes, Zelda Wii U is 100% ... | 42 | 41.18% | |
| Yes, but Zelda Wii U will... | 28 | 27.45% | |
| It says Zelda Wii U, not ... | 27 | 26.47% | |
| I dont understand the calculation :( | 5 | 4.90% | |
| Total: | 102 | ||
its not possible. it amazes me that people instantly jump to this conclusion when the game got delayed.
| JNK said:
im pretty sure its done right. If you flip a coin 2 times, each possibility is 0,5. If you need 2 times the same result, the calculation is 0,5x0,5=0,25. Thats 1/4 and thats right. |
Yeah I checked and you are right. The only thing I'd put into question then is how you derived each of the necessary condition as 50% probable.
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Not sure at this point.
For now, I'll say 50% chance.
"Just for comparison Uncharted 4 was 20x bigger than Splatoon 2. This shows the huge difference between Sony's first-party games and Nintendo's first-party games."
I'm pretty sure Nintendo is going to pull a Twilight Princess on this one. There's no point on making it a Wii U exclusive when they need a killer app for NX's launch.
Probably they are still releasing it on Wii U but merely because they need the cash, but it'd be a lost opportunity if they don't release Zelda U on NX.

| JNK said: So i noticed most people acting like Zelda Wii U will be 100% on NX. We dont know what NX it, how powerfull it will be, how expensive it will be, when it will be launched. All that is UNKNOWN.
I made some Calculation and the chances Zelda Wii U will appear on NX as a cross release are right now 12,5 %. You can change some parameters, but you probl. wont get anything different then 10-20%.
Lets calculate the probability: 1. NX needs to be release in 2016. Nintendo never did this (annoucnement and release same year). Nothing hints a 2016 release. I give this a 50% chance to be true; 50% 2017 or later. 2. NX needs to be a home console or a combination of both. 3DS is older then wii u. It will get a successor first. So only chance is, NX will be the fusion concept. That could be right, also couldnt be right. We dont know. Nintendo said, NX wont replace Wii U and 3ds, but they also said the same about DS wont replace GBA. I think its a 50% chance that NX will be a replacement for wii u and 3ds (and will be powerfull enough to run zelda wii u). 3. Nintendo needs to want to release Zelda Wii U on NX. Even if both points above turn out to be true, Nintendo also needs to want a cross release. It was always a unwritten rule, that every home console system from Nintendo will get its own Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart and Smash game, The 4 big home console franchises from Nintendo. This wont be the case for wii u. Considering Wii U´s low sales and all the Zelda remastered and spin offs it got (Windwaker, Hyrule Warriors, Twilight princess) it may be likely they want to compensate this. There is one point however which stand against this. All 3 mentioned zelda games (HW, WW, TP) were released, or at least in development before Zelda Wii U got delayed. So assuming Nintendo brought this 3 games to compensate the lack of an exclusive wii u title doesnt make sense. Windwaker was released 2013, HW 2014 and Tantalus already spoke about their Wii U Remaster in Dec. 2014. In Dec. 2014 Nintendo told us Zelda will arrive 2015. So all 3 games arnt made to compensate Zelda Wii U´s cross release. To Twilight Princess Similarities: - Wii and Gamecube used almost the same hardware. Porting wasnt even needed, the wii was just a little better version of the gamecube. - Gamecube had windwaker - The game fittet perfectly to show what is possible on wii (wiimote gives your the "sword right in your hand"). Its doubtfull this will be the same case for NX, especially considering Zelda Wii U is in development with Wii U´s possibilities (gamepad) as the main thought. They even made Windwaker HD to try it out.
- Gamecube was released same year as TP. The NX isnt even official announced yet. Sum Up: Pro Nintendo want cross release: - Poor Wii U Sales - Their biggest project yet on their unsuccessfullst system - Give NX a boost Contra Nintendo want cross release: - Break the unwritten one exclusive zelda game per console rule (Nintendo teases zelda wii u till the reveal of the console) - Make Wii U owners sad who got the system just for the promised Zelda game (probl wont buy NX because Zelda NX might be on NX sucessor too) - Alot ressources would be necessary for the port (NX probl. different hardware-architecture then Wii U). Considering all above, ill give it a 50% chance Nintendo wants Zelda Wii U on NX at launch. |
1. Actually lotta things points on 2016 NX release: no single bigger announcement for Wii U that isn't smaller project, port, or spinoff for around year and half (from E3 2014.). Almost evre report and info is point for 2016 relase and I will mentione you just few of them, Digitems report, Wall Street Journal report and Nomura Securities report. Nintendo president in message to investors for 2016. plans did not mentioned at all WiiU/3DS, but he specifically talked about NX with other staffs Nintendo planned to release in 2016 (mobile games, new services..).
2. NX will be home console, hybrid or most likely NX handheld and NX home console. Definitely will not be weaker than Wii U so it will run Zelda U.
3. Releasing Zelda U port like NX launch title will be very help NX launch and sales of game it self, it will win-win situation. Zelda U not being Wii U exclusive doesn't matter at all that doesn't affect nothing, its not like they will not relase at all Zelda U on Wii U, especially now when it seems that Nintendo plan with NX is to release one game for multiple devices.
I agree with your reasons why Nintendo will made Zelda U cross release and I will add:
-Much better sales of game if its cross relase.
-Nintendo already done something similar with TP
I dont agree for reasons against:
-Zelda U not being Wii U exclusive doesn't matter at all that doesn't affect nothing, especially now when it seems that Nintendo plan with NX is to release one game for multiple devices.
-Zelda is promised to Wii U owners and they will get Zelda, its not like they will not get at all Zelda U on Wii U. Releasing Zelda U on NX too don't change anything, especially today when we have so many ports.
-Port costs will paid up beacuse of sales of Zelda U on NX, not mention positive financial effects being launche title on NX.
You basically have very strong reasons why Nintendo will port Zelda U to NX and very weak reasons why Nintendo shouldnt do that, and we also already had something similar with TP, so you can't say chances are only 50% that Zelda U will be NX launch title, I would say chances are around 85%.
Also why you think Nintendo still did not proper revile Zelda U, why we still dont have name or real trailer!? I can easily see Nintendo revile Zelda U with real trailer and name on NX at E3 2016. in order to promote new platform.
| Miyamotoo said:
-Nintendo already done something similar with TP |
Like I said multiple times now, imo its nothing like TP. There are to many differences.
I doubt NX will use Power-PC architecture, so a port would be alot more difficult and would need alot more ressources as TP. I doubt the Zelda team is big enough to support 2 completly different plattforms at the same time. Its their biggest project yet, like you already said. Porting such a huge game also to x86 or ARM needs LOTS of ressources and wont be done quick.
If we are realling aussming a cross release, Zelda Wii U probl was already finished mid 2015 and the last full year of development was spend just to make the port. With Zelda Wii U finished in 2015, it would be their FIRST big zelda title that didnt got delayed. Hope you understand what I mean^^
TP was ported to Wii to show the possibilities of the Wiimote. Gives the player the sword directly in the hand. Zelda WiiU got developed to use the unique Wii U´s technology (gamepad) and show whats possible. They even remastered Windwaker to test it.
If the new mechanics NX comes with (whatever it will be) wont fit to Zelda Wii U and wont make it a new/different or better expierence (Twilight Princess on Wii was at least a different expierience because of controls) im very, very sure we wont see Zelda Wii U on NX. At least not this year.
Im almost 100% sure Nintendo wont port Zelda Wii U to NX just to improve graphics, resolution or framerate. Thats not Nintendos style.
Also I highly doubt they hav enough ressources/want to spend as much ressources on an Zelda Wii U Port for NX to get a crossrelease 2016. Dont forget it, that is probl NOTHING like Twilight Princess. Im almost 100% sure they wont stick to PowerPC and just make a Wii U with new controller.
| Platina said: That's the thing, you can't quantify something like this with just simple percentages.. We don't even know the release date, so how to we make it a percent? There is no 'evidence' saying one way or another (2016 or 2017) so giving a numerical value of say 40% or 70% is just random guessing.. so it doesn't work. If the numbers are flawed to begin with, then the answers will definitely be as well :/
Anyways, that aside, it is a interesting calculation, but I don't think it works like that in the real world :p |
Like I already said in OP, the 12,5 % results are not 100% accurate.
For each point I took all facts, possibilities, rumours and co into consideration. And then i made a prediction. If we talk about %%% thats always predictions.
But in the end the result wont change much. Even if you say:
2016 Release 40%
NX Wii U sucessor 70%
Nintendo want the port 70%
we will get 19,6 %. Thats still far from a "save cross release" like many are predicting.
People are silly, and like to often predict things that they think "for a fact" will happen. Except then many of them don't, hence them looking fuckin' silly. But hey.
Zelda U does NOT need to come out on NX. At all. Not even as a late port. Not even a tiny bit. Wii U and it's owners deserve an exclusive Zelda game, that is FINALLY also the "MUST HAVE", definitive game for the console, something it has continued to lack in spite of many GOOD (but arguably not AMAZING) games. Every previous Nintendo console has had an "IT" game, the game that was synonymous with the system. Wii U has yet to have that, and long-time Wii U owners especially, deserve to have that, after investing time and money into the console.
And THEN, a few years down the road, we can get a ground up, exclusive Zelda for the NX. What a concept, eh?
As far as I'm concerned, people rooting for NX to be rushed to market in 2016, are rooting for the system to fail. It's just not smart, no matter how you shake it out. And besides, as far as Wii U launch titles go, as far as any of us know, Retro's next game has had PLENTY of time to most likely be an NX launch game, as has the next 3D Mario also had plenty of time in development. That is certainly the case if NX doesn't launch until 2017. And I'd say that an epic 3D Mario, along with a Retro Studios title, along with possibly Pikmin 4 (though that may well be a Wii U game, and perhaps should be), as well as some third party titles....that on it's own ought to be a strong launch, without the need for another Twilight Princess type situation.
With Wii U, part of the reason they ported TP in the first place, was because the motion control concept was so new and unknown, and they had no way of knowing whether or not Wii Sports would be a success, let alone a generation defining phenomenon. So in their eyes, porting TP was the "right thing to do", because otherwise Wii might have had a weak launch. With NX, while we have no idea yet WHAT precisely will be coming out for it, history clearly shows that 3D Mario games (and main Mario titles in general), ALWAYS outsell Zelda games, and are far more often "system sellers". So having a 3D Mario that hopefully backs away from gimmicks, and let's say, gives us some sprawling, massive HD Mushroom Kingdom levels to play around in? That shit is going to sell like hotcakes, and create far more hype than a port of a Wii U game will.
| DevilRising said: People are silly, and like to often predict things that they think "for a fact" will happen. Except then many of them don't, hence them looking fuckin' silly. But hey. Zelda U does NOT need to come out on NX. At all. Not even as a late port. Not even a tiny bit. Wii U and it's owners deserve an exclusive Zelda game, that is FINALLY also the "MUST HAVE", definitive game for the console, something it has continued to lack in spite of many GOOD (but arguably not AMAZING) games. Every previous Nintendo console has had an "IT" game, the game that was synonymous with the system. Wii U has yet to have that, and long-time Wii U owners especially, deserve to have that, after investing time and money into the console. And THEN, a few years down the road, we can get a ground up, exclusive Zelda for the NX. What a concept, eh? As far as I'm concerned, people rooting for NX to be rushed to market in 2016, are rooting for the system to fail. It's just not smart, no matter how you shake it out. And besides, as far as Wii U launch titles go, as far as any of us know, Retro's next game has had PLENTY of time to most likely be an NX launch game, as has the next 3D Mario also had plenty of time in development. That is certainly the case if NX doesn't launch until 2017. And I'd say that an epic 3D Mario, along with a Retro Studios title, along with possibly Pikmin 4 (though that may well be a Wii U game, and perhaps should be), as well as some third party titles....that on it's own ought to be a strong launch, without the need for another Twilight Princess type situation. With Wii U, part of the reason they ported TP in the first place, was because the motion control concept was so new and unknown, and they had no way of knowing whether or not Wii Sports would be a success, let alone a generation defining phenomenon. So in their eyes, porting TP was the "right thing to do", because otherwise Wii might have had a weak launch. With NX, while we have no idea yet WHAT precisely will be coming out for it, history clearly shows that 3D Mario games (and main Mario titles in general), ALWAYS outsell Zelda games, and are far more often "system sellers". So having a 3D Mario that hopefully backs away from gimmicks, and let's say, gives us some sprawling, massive HD Mushroom Kingdom levels to play around in? That shit is going to sell like hotcakes, and create far more hype than a port of a Wii U game will. |
true. It will be funny reviving those threads in some month to proove them all wrong. Already was funny with splatoon sales, now we can do it again :D