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Thunderbird77 on 24 January 2016

Just a reminder to the "unified library" people. Even ios and android don't share all the games. More demanding games don't run on the mid and lower end phones/tablets. It's a very obvious fact that is being ignored. A portable and a handheld can share some games (some with more effort in the porting than others) but not all of them.



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Thunderbird77 on 24 January 2016
gabzjmm23 said:
Thunderbird77 said:
gabzjmm23 said:

there is a chance NX can be a minimal upgrade of the Wii U and with the patent gamepad that is a slim version of WiiU's gamepad.  it would put those WiiU owners in a situation of 'not again'.

most from the people i know just wanted a traditional console but knowing nintendo it won't happen.

If it's a wii u successor, no there isn't any chance of that happening. what patent of slim gamepad are you talking about?

Wii U is a traditional console already. All their consoles except the wii are traditional consoles.

the scroll shoulder buttons and/or the touch screen patent one.  their consoles are inclined more into some gimmick/innovation in a sense, than their what they had.  Like Wii U on a Pro controller would be in a better price range and a better overall console to sell than with the gamepad.  

i know it would be hard to just copy what the twins are, and Nintendo wanted to differentiate themselves, but the 3rd party doesn't know how those gimmicks would work, and it would be hard for 3rd parties to accommodate a inferior and way different console than the twins.  

Four nos. patents are just that. Their consoles are traditional. a wii u with a pro controller would retail for only $50 less from the start. The "twins" aren't hard to copy, nintendo does a better job in hardware all the time.





Miyamotoo on 24 January 2016
Thunderbird77 said:
Miyamotoo said:
bigtakilla said:
Miyamotoo said:

I don't exaggerating at all, Zelda U is coming basically at end of Wii U life and when next platform is arriving, that means very short life of game on WIi U, on Wii U could sell around 3m, but on NX could sell at least same number, because like NX launch will have huge effect and game itself would sell hole NX life span, while Wii U will basicly be dead after NX and Zelda U launch.

Also you have TP Zelda sale numbers, and where Wii TP sale numbers are far more higher than GC sales numbers, even Wii TP having higher attach rate than GC.

Also you alredy having Tp

There are a lot of determining factors which we can bet avatar control over when the time comes.

This are all pure facts:

-Zelda U is biggest and most expensive project. Fact.

-Zelda U on NX like launch title will have much better sales and life than staying Wii U exclusive.

-Zelda U could killer app for NX launch that will help NX. Fact.

-Nintendo already done something similar with TP. Fact.

-Like reason against you can only say every Nintendo console has exclusive Zelda (but that's not entirely true, OoT and MM were ported on GC, and WW and TP on Wii U), but that isnt problem at all and doesn't change anything, because its way more important than Wii U owners have new Zelda game than that be exclusive. Fact.

What do real thing Nintendo will do with Zelda U!? It's very obvious what they will choose, that will be very logical and business sense decision.

Zelda U on NX like launch title will have much better sales and life than staying Wii U exclusive.

Nintendo already done something similar with TP. Fact.

WRONG.

It would barely sell better as a redundant dual release. TP is not the same situation, it happened because of specific reasons that aren't repeating themselves now.

You are in denial in both of those matters.

I already wrote several times why you are wrong about those matters..





Conina on 24 January 2016
Thunderbird77 said:

Just a reminder to the "unified library" people. Even ios and android don't share all the games. More demanding games don't run on the mid and lower end phones/tablets. It's a very obvious fact that is being ignored. A portable and a handheld can share some games (some with more effort in the porting than others) but not all of them.

Not all games, but most games. Just like todays laptops can't play all PC games, but most of them. And future laptops will be able to play a lot of these PC games, that won't work on 2015/2016 laptops.

If the first NX-handheld could play 80% of the "NX library" and the NX-home-console could play 100% of the "NX library" and every NX-game is cross-buy for the handheld and home console form factor, it would be a great start. A later released more powerful version of the NX handheld (let's call it the "new NXH" for now) could be compatible to 90 - 100% of the "NX library".





Pavolink on 24 January 2016
Miyamotoo said:
Thunderbird77 said:

Zelda U on NX like launch title will have much better sales and life than staying Wii U exclusive.

Nintendo already done something similar with TP. Fact.

WRONG.

It would barely sell better as a redundant dual release. TP is not the same situation, it happened because of specific reasons that aren't repeating themselves now.

You are in denial in both of those matters.

I already wrote several times why you are wrong about those matters..

 

Well, his argument is based on the fact that TP "barely" sold more on Wii than on GC.



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Thunderbird77 on 24 January 2016
Conina said:
Thunderbird77 said:

Just a reminder to the "unified library" people. Even ios and android don't share all the games. More demanding games don't run on the mid and lower end phones/tablets. It's a very obvious fact that is being ignored. A portable and a handheld can share some games (some with more effort in the porting than others) but not all of them.

Not all games, but most games. Just like todays laptops can't play all PC games, but most of them. And future laptops will be able to play a lot of these PC games, that won't work on 2015/2016 laptops.

If the first NX-handheld could play 80% of the "NX library" and the NX-home-console could play 100% of the "NX library" and every NX-game is cross-buy for the handheld and home console form factor, it would be a great start. A later released more powerful version of the NX handheld (let's call it the "new NXH" for now) could be compatible to 90 - 100% of the "NX library".

Most of those games are simple 2d free to play games that don't push the hardware. games that push anything won't run in the lower end of the spectrum.

Aside from the "nx handheld" and "nx home console" terms, your second paragraph is more in line with reality. certain games will still be made exclusives regardless of power of the future systems (like pokemon being handheld only, while a huge 3d mario/zelda is exclusive to HC even if the next handheld can run those).





Thunderbird77 on 24 January 2016
Pavolink said:
Miyamotoo said:

You are in denial in both of those matters.

I already wrote several times why you are wrong about those matters..

 

Well, his argument is based on the fact that TP "barely" sold more on Wii than on GC.

You shouldn't lie openly like that.





slab_of_bacon on 24 January 2016

 

So has anyone convinced the other to change their stance yet?

 

 

Perhaps some Tekken Tag Tournament 2 would settle things.



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bigtakilla on 24 January 2016
Thunderbird77 said:
bigtakilla said:

They don't have to buy a wii u to enjoy LoZ. There are plenty of other consoles that have LoZ, and the NX will have one too. They only have to get a Wii U to play Zelda U.

Nope, backwards compatibility exists to avoid that.

Fair enough, and even less of a reason to port when you could already play it.





bigtakilla on 24 January 2016
Thunderbird77 said:
Miyamotoo said:
bigtakilla said:
Miyamotoo said:

I don't exaggerating at all, Zelda U is coming basically at end of Wii U life and when next platform is arriving, that means very short life of game on WIi U, on Wii U could sell around 3m, but on NX could sell at least same number, because like NX launch will have huge effect and game itself would sell hole NX life span, while Wii U will basicly be dead after NX and Zelda U launch.

Also you have TP Zelda sale numbers, and where Wii TP sale numbers are far more higher than GC sales numbers, even Wii TP having higher attach rate than GC.

Also you alredy having Tp

There are a lot of determining factors which we can bet avatar control over when the time comes.

This are all pure facts:

-Zelda U is biggest and most expensive project. Fact.

-Zelda U on NX like launch title will have much better sales and life than staying Wii U exclusive.

-Zelda U could killer app for NX launch that will help NX. Fact.

-Nintendo already done something similar with TP. Fact.

-Like reason against you can only say every Nintendo console has exclusive Zelda (but that's not entirely true, OoT and MM were ported on GC, and WW and TP on Wii U), but that isnt problem at all and doesn't change anything, because its way more important than Wii U owners have new Zelda game than that be exclusive. Fact.

What do real thing Nintendo will do with Zelda U!? It's very obvious what they will choose, that will be very logical and business sense decision.

Zelda U on NX like launch title will have much better sales and life than staying Wii U exclusive.

Nintendo already done something similar with TP. Fact.

WRONG.

It would barely sell better as a redundant dual release. TP is not the same situation, it happened because of specific reasons that aren't repeating themselves now.

 

^Preach.