twesterm said: sc94597 said: DragonLord said: sc94597 said: Squall_Leonhart said: @iclim4 Where do you think it will go then? Somehow i don't think the Wii would be a viable option considering how badly 3rd party games are doing on it! And if it went to the 360 they can kiss the Japanese market goodbye, the likely options are either the PSP, DS or PS3... Yeah, but the wii has the japanese market , and the japanese love ff. I see it going to the ds, or psp. I see more spin-offs going to the ds or psp, but not a direct remake. Why do a direct remake if it's not an upgrade? The ps3 or 360 would be the best bets for a "direct" remake IF THEY EVER DO ONE...which I'm not convinced of. The Wii, PSP, & DS are better suited for spin-offs of FFVII (Like Crisis Core). Just my opinion---lol, you all can have yours, so don't bother flaming, I'll just chuckle @ you. Well the ds and the psp are significantly more powerful than the ps1. Also there have been many direct remakes for the ds , and many more announced. It wouldn't really be worth it if you were a gamer , but it would sell hell of alot more than if it was remade for the ps3 and make se more money.   Actually, it would make the most money on the DS or PSP (more than likely more on the DS). If it were released on the Wii, PS3, or even 360 they would have to put A LOT of money into the game look as good as absolutely possible for whatever console it was put on. That would mean a very large budget for all the effort and all the time. The game would sell just about the same on the PS3 or Wii (not so much on the 360) for about the same budget (yes, Wii games can be big budget) so it doesn't matter that much which one. If they made the remake for the DS or PSP the game would still require time and effort but not nearly as much as making it for one of the above systems. That would mean a smaller budget. The two handhelds also have the advantage of having a MUCH larger userbase of actual people that would buy the game (both Wii and PS3 have a good amount of people that wouldn't buy the game since the Wii is too casual and the PS3 is a BluRay player). So ask yourself would you rather have a large budget and sell less copies or a small budget and sell more copies? Remember, the primary goal of any game is to make money. -edit- Also, when this game does come out, we will be talking about the DS2 and the PSP2.

I said that. LOL Maybe you read my post wrong. I agree.

 

sc94597 said: I said that. LOL Maybe you read my post wrong. I agree.

 lol, maybe I did.  >_>

I would rather see FF 6 on the wii than FF7, It was on nintendo console so it makes more sense.

polishforlife said: I would rather see FF 6 on the wii than FF7, It was on nintendo console so it makes more sense.

 ? How does that got to do with anything. ALso I think they are already making ff6 for ds. I know ff5 is coming to ds this year. I don't think there will be a ff remake on the wii at all. I think the ds is where all of the remakes will go. It already has 2 and one is coming this year , and I think another one is announced. 

GotchayeA said: DragonLord, I think what you're missing is that the people who would determine which system a FFVII remake goes to wouldn't be doing it because they think the game 'deserves' a remake. It seems beyond obvious that a Wii/DS/PSP remake would sell many more copies and cost much less than would a PS3/360 remake. Around half of all FF sales come from Japan, after all. Yes, it's pretty clear that a very traditional RPG can be done better (prettier) on the 360/PS3 than on the Wii, DS, or PSP, but that's not really Square Enix's chief concern, and I don't see why that's at all relevant to the discussion. Also, it's somewhat misleading to imply that a Wii remake wouldn't be an upgrade. A DS remake might be little more than a straight port, but the Wii is just a little bit more capable than the PS1. It can certainly do better than FFX or FFXII, and even those are much more technically impressive than FFVII.

First off, I'm not implying that the Wii wouldn't "look better"--it definitely would. I have a Wii (and enjoy it) and understand its improvements over the ps1 and ps2 (although most developers haven't been taking full advantage of that power and improvement).

Secondly, I agree that it would sell more copies on the DS---but going with that logic, why isn't FFXIII or FFvsXIII for the DS instead of the ps3?

FFXIII would obviously be cheaper to make and sell better on the DS or Wii. So why didn't SE just do that?

Because SE has a great working relationship with Sony (who owns 10% of SE), and SE has made their "CORE" FF games on the playstation since it has been around--FFVII, FFXIII, FFIX, FFX, FFXI (PS2/360/PC MMO), FFXII. And because sales aren't everything---MS, Nintendo, and Sony can "buy" games--making it well worth a developers time to make a game regardless of sales. Just look at the 360's RPG sales in Japan....yet, after Eternal Sonata, Blue Dragon, and Lost Odyssey, they are still making Tales of Vesperia, Cry On, etc. MS makes it worth their time and money regardless of sales.

In its history, it has been the spin-offs that go to other consoles or handhelds. SE are graphic whores to a degree. They love to have a high-tech, impressive as hell, CG overloaded, cutting edge "main" game with many spin-offs that rake in the dough...then they have the best of both worlds.  An amazing developer that can blow your mind away, and a profitable developer that can rake in on its cash cows.

Lastly, I'm not God....neither are you. None of us know if it will happen or where it would go.  It's all opinion. You have yours, I'll have mine. None of us are right until the day it happens or doesn't.

kingofwale can finally play it yay

DragonLord said: GotchayeA said: DragonLord, I think what you're missing is that the people who would determine which system a FFVII remake goes to wouldn't be doing it because they think the game 'deserves' a remake. It seems beyond obvious that a Wii/DS/PSP remake would sell many more copies and cost much less than would a PS3/360 remake. Around half of all FF sales come from Japan, after all. Yes, it's pretty clear that a very traditional RPG can be done better (prettier) on the 360/PS3 than on the Wii, DS, or PSP, but that's not really Square Enix's chief concern, and I don't see why that's at all relevant to the discussion. Also, it's somewhat misleading to imply that a Wii remake wouldn't be an upgrade. A DS remake might be little more than a straight port, but the Wii is just a little bit more capable than the PS1. It can certainly do better than FFX or FFXII, and even those are much more technically impressive than FFVII. First off, I'm not implying that the Wii wouldn't "look better"--it definitely would. I have a Wii (and enjoy it) and understand its improvements over the ps1 and ps2 (although most developers haven't been taking full advantage of that power and improvement). Secondly, I agree that it would sell more copies on the DS---but going with that logic, why isn't FFXIII or FFvsXIII for the DS instead of the ps3? FFXIII would obviously be cheaper to make and sell better on the DS or Wii. So why didn't SE just do that? Because SE has a great working relationship with Sony (who owns 10% of SE), and SE has made their "CORE" FF games on the playstation since it has been around--FFVII, FFXIII, FFIX, FFX, FFXI (PS2/360/PC MMO), FFXII. And because sales aren't everything---MS, Nintendo, and Sony can "buy" games--making it well worth a developers time to make a game regardless of sales. Just look at the 360's RPG sales in Japan....yet, after Eternal Sonata, Blue Dragon, and Lost Odyssey, they are still making Tales of Vesperia, Cry On, etc. MS makes it worth their time and money regardless of sales. In its history, it has been the spin-offs that go to other consoles or handhelds. SE are graphic whores to a degree. They love to have a high-tech, impressive as hell, CG overloaded, cutting edge "main" game with many spin-offs. Lastly, I'm not God....neither are you. None of us know. It's all opinion. You have yours, I'll have mine. None of us are right until the day it happens or doesn't.

 Um they were already working on FFXIII and FFvsXIII on the ps3. That would be a waste of money to just stop and make a ds version half way through it. Most remakes are on handhelds anyway. 1-6 was remade on gba , and 3and 4 and soon to be 5 were remade on ds. So I could definately see the later remakes to be on ds or ds2 psp or psp2. 

sc94597 said: DragonLord said: GotchayeA said: DragonLord, I think what you're missing is that the people who would determine which system a FFVII remake goes to wouldn't be doing it because they think the game 'deserves' a remake. It seems beyond obvious that a Wii/DS/PSP remake would sell many more copies and cost much less than would a PS3/360 remake. Around half of all FF sales come from Japan, after all. Yes, it's pretty clear that a very traditional RPG can be done better (prettier) on the 360/PS3 than on the Wii, DS, or PSP, but that's not really Square Enix's chief concern, and I don't see why that's at all relevant to the discussion. Also, it's somewhat misleading to imply that a Wii remake wouldn't be an upgrade. A DS remake might be little more than a straight port, but the Wii is just a little bit more capable than the PS1. It can certainly do better than FFX or FFXII, and even those are much more technically impressive than FFVII. First off, I'm not implying that the Wii wouldn't "look better"--it definitely would. I have a Wii (and enjoy it) and understand its improvements over the ps1 and ps2 (although most developers haven't been taking full advantage of that power and improvement). Secondly, I agree that it would sell more copies on the DS---but going with that logic, why isn't FFXIII or FFvsXIII for the DS instead of the ps3? FFXIII would obviously be cheaper to make and sell better on the DS or Wii. So why didn't SE just do that? Because SE has a great working relationship with Sony (who owns 10% of SE), and SE has made their "CORE" FF games on the playstation since it has been around--FFVII, FFXIII, FFIX, FFX, FFXI (PS2/360/PC MMO), FFXII. And because sales aren't everything---MS, Nintendo, and Sony can "buy" games--making it well worth a developers time to make a game regardless of sales. Just look at the 360's RPG sales in Japan....yet, after Eternal Sonata, Blue Dragon, and Lost Odyssey, they are still making Tales of Vesperia, Cry On, etc. MS makes it worth their time and money regardless of sales. In its history, it has been the spin-offs that go to other consoles or handhelds. SE are graphic whores to a degree. They love to have a high-tech, impressive as hell, CG overloaded, cutting edge "main" game with many spin-offs. Lastly, I'm not God....neither are you. None of us know. It's all opinion. You have yours, I'll have mine. None of us are right until the day it happens or doesn't. Um they were already working on FFXIII and FFvsXIII on the ps3. That would be a waste of money to just stop and make a ds version half way through it. Most remakes are on handhelds anyway. 1-6 was remade on gba , and 3and 4 and soon to be 5 were remade on ds. So I could definately see the later remakes to be on ds or ds2 psp or psp2.

Don't be so arrogant as to think that SE would only make games on the DS or Wii because that is the platform that would sell the most copies. As I said, it's about more than that.

Hell, the psp had already shown signs of flopping software sales and yet--Crisis Core and a Kingdom Hearts spin-off. Lol, I guarantee you'll see more SE games in the future on the psp too.

SE will continue to sell games on ALL platforms. How would you explain Infinite Undiscovery on the 360. They realize that they could sell more copies on a DS or Wii, and yet, they will make games for the 360 too.

The logic of:

"DS will sell most---so that is what they will make it on" simply isn't true. Anyhow, I won't argue this stupidity--so I'm leaving this thread for good. Arguing on the Internet is worthless. I'll just not post the news next time because vgchartz always has to turn it into a fanboy war. The fact remains--neither of us chooses what games SE will release on what platforms, so I'll leave it to them.

Off topic....Lol, how are you even on here? Weren't you banned for 6 weeks for a dumb bet about the Wii having as good of graphics as the 360 & ps3?

Anyhow, may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits.  Have a good day *pours another drink*. 

DragonLord said: sc94597 said: DragonLord said: GotchayeA said: DragonLord, I think what you're missing is that the people who would determine which system a FFVII remake goes to wouldn't be doing it because they think the game 'deserves' a remake. It seems beyond obvious that a Wii/DS/PSP remake would sell many more copies and cost much less than would a PS3/360 remake. Around half of all FF sales come from Japan, after all. Yes, it's pretty clear that a very traditional RPG can be done better (prettier) on the 360/PS3 than on the Wii, DS, or PSP, but that's not really Square Enix's chief concern, and I don't see why that's at all relevant to the discussion. Also, it's somewhat misleading to imply that a Wii remake wouldn't be an upgrade. A DS remake might be little more than a straight port, but the Wii is just a little bit more capable than the PS1. It can certainly do better than FFX or FFXII, and even those are much more technically impressive than FFVII. First off, I'm not implying that the Wii wouldn't "look better"--it definitely would. I have a Wii (and enjoy it) and understand its improvements over the ps1 and ps2 (although most developers haven't been taking full advantage of that power and improvement). Secondly, I agree that it would sell more copies on the DS---but going with that logic, why isn't FFXIII or FFvsXIII for the DS instead of the ps3? FFXIII would obviously be cheaper to make and sell better on the DS or Wii. So why didn't SE just do that? Because SE has a great working relationship with Sony (who owns 10% of SE), and SE has made their "CORE" FF games on the playstation since it has been around--FFVII, FFXIII, FFIX, FFX, FFXI (PS2/360/PC MMO), FFXII. And because sales aren't everything---MS, Nintendo, and Sony can "buy" games--making it well worth a developers time to make a game regardless of sales. Just look at the 360's RPG sales in Japan....yet, after Eternal Sonata, Blue Dragon, and Lost Odyssey, they are still making Tales of Vesperia, Cry On, etc. MS makes it worth their time and money regardless of sales. In its history, it has been the spin-offs that go to other consoles or handhelds. SE are graphic whores to a degree. They love to have a high-tech, impressive as hell, CG overloaded, cutting edge "main" game with many spin-offs. Lastly, I'm not God....neither are you. None of us know. It's all opinion. You have yours, I'll have mine. None of us are right until the day it happens or doesn't. Um they were already working on FFXIII and FFvsXIII on the ps3. That would be a waste of money to just stop and make a ds version half way through it. Most remakes are on handhelds anyway. 1-6 was remade on gba , and 3and 4 and soon to be 5 were remade on ds. So I could definately see the later remakes to be on ds or ds2 psp or psp2. Don't be so arrogant as to think that SE would only make games on the DS or Wii because that is the platform that would sell the most copies. As I said, it's about more than that. Hell, the psp had already shown signs of flopping software sales and yet--Crisis Core and a Kingdom Hearts spin-off. Lol, I guarantee you'll see more SE games in the future on the psp too. SE will continue to sell games on ALL platforms. How would you explain Infinite Undiscovery on the 360. They realize that they could sell more copies on a DS or Wii, and yet, they will make games for the 360 too. The logic of: "DS will sell most---so that is what they will make it on" simply isn't true.

I said most likely. The point of making a game is to make money. When a game is a remake they usually want to spend the least money possible , and get the most money possible. To develop a game on the ds you spend about a 10th-100th of what you would have to if you made a game on the ps3/xbox360. You also get the most money for that cheap price to pay. Your point would be more valid if it was a new game , but remakes are meant to get the most money you could get while not spending too much. Spinoffs and remakes are too different things spin offs are new games where you are happy with a little bit. You already see SE remaking all of the older FF to the ds. These games are selling good , and once they run out of the older ones they are going to start to port the newer ones to the next ds. It would be the smartest thing to do. Especially when you don't have to do that much work to port it since the ds and ps1 are closer in power than the ps3 and ps1.

 

Enough of the remake bullshit, this has been going on since 2001 and it's pretty obvious that a remake is going to happen eventually, just not anytime soon. Or for the PS3. The most you're going to get is PSN re-release with prettier graphics.

And the person that said that Wii 3rd parties were" doing so badly" needs to be reintroduced to reality.