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Would you like to have female characters playable in Final Fantasy XV?

Yes 54 79.41%
 
No 10 14.71%
 
Total:64

Yes, screw the female party members. They really add nothing to the game In 90% of JRPGS.



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VXIII said:
sc94597 said:
VXIII said:
sc94597 said:

Cold war > war > losing homeland > staying on the road because there is no place to return to > whatever comes next. 

Reducing that series of events to "dudes on a road trip" is taking things out of context and making uneducated guess based on it. The journey is meant to be full of emotions and meaningful events.

Anyways, all male party is a new take in the Jrpgs scene. People demanding female characters for the sake of "diversity" are really demanding the game to be more of the same when it comes to the characters.To be exactly like previous FFs and the majority of Jrpgs out there. They are really asking for less diversity on the bigger picture if you think about it. Style over substance.

All of that could've been done without eliminating playable female characters. The reason for, as noted in the OP, the exclusion of female characters was to implement the guys on a road trip/journey trope that is found in a lot of fiction. That isn't new nor diverse. 

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RoadTripPlot?from=Main.RoadMovie

In my opinion the "Walking the Earth" trope that previous Final Fantasy games implemented is superior to the Road Trip trope because the world is more fleshed out, and there is no pressure to limit the type of characters you have purely for some cliche'd theme about the other gender. 

Considering the game is suppose to be part of the rpg genre, I think freedom of role-playing trumps top-down presentation. If he wanted to make an action-adventure, that is an entire different thing. People have different expectations from different genres. 

 

New theme for the Jrpgs scene I said, the road trip theme itself is indeed known. However, it is not separated from other themes and events of the story that make it meaningful.

Each party has unique dynamics. Different kind relationships can be told through different kind of characters. It is a matter of perspective. What can be explained through comradeship of male characters can not be simulated by having females, and vice versa. It opens unique opportunities. Which is the reason for not having girls. So there is no "pressure to limit" anything. Different perspective. That is how I see it.

I am still not seeing why there can't be a comradeship with a female character or two unless their view of a female character is a stereotypical love interest/feminine female. Representing genres as archetypes is bad writing. And I don't think the road trip trope is necessarily new to the genre. It just never was explictly represented as an actual road trip. 





pokoko said:
method114 said:

Wow you are crazy defensive and I have no idea why. If you didn't know this is a gaming forum where people discuss various things related to games. Me quoting you doesn't mean I "care" it means I wanted to discuss the topic with you. If I knew you were going to react like a child about it I would have never done it. I guess your right that naturally I immediately do form some sort of opinion about soemthing just by looks. I guess what I should have said is that I don't let those quick opinions I get affect me in my buying deciosions or whether or not I enjoy a game. I wait until I actually try it and for a few hours at least before I start really forming an opinion I'm comftorable discussing.I never said you wanted them to change the game that just you being crazy paranoid/defensive. I was simply stating that we should let the devs create the games the way they want and we can try them out and then decide if we like what they did or not. Never said you didn't have right not to be interested but I'm sure your paranoia led your thought process in that direction. Welcome to the internet my friend I'd recommmend letting down your defeneses a bit you might enjoy yourself online a bit more.



What the ...

Whoa there, Barn.  Put the bullet back in your pocket before you hurt yourself.  I'm not sure what you're talking about but it sure sounds like you're trying to blow this way out of proportion.  I think you might want to find a mirror before you start talking about crazy reactions.

First of all, don't imply that others are being "dumb" then call someone childish.  Pot, kettle on line one.  You are the only one calling people names.  Read back over the posts and then deny that.  Second, don't try to make sarcasm out to be some kind of internet rage.  I was hardly spamming exclaimation marks.

Seriously, don't do this.  Tactics like this are lame.  They will only make you look fake and/or silly.

If you want to discuss in a civil manner then don't start out with an insult.  I don't even understand how that would be a point of confusion.

As for the rest of what you're saying, I simply do not believe that you buy every game out there to see if you like it or not.  Very few people are both willing and able to do that.  Most of us have to make a decision based on avaliable media--and, yes, that's the proverbial "book cover", which for games is pretty extensive.  People do this all the time.

Personally, I don't care for the character designs.  They look like they're about to go clubbing instead of adventuring.  I don't like that there are only five party members and that you only control one of them.  From what I've seen in videos, the battle system does not appeal to me very much.  I think that's enough for me to form the initial impression that I'm just not very interested in this game at this point in time.

Ok I'm just going to ignore everything you started off with. Looks like we both got confused or just me. I thought you were getting mad, you say you weren't and that's good enough for me. I'll chalk it up to miscommunication.

I do not buy every game out there you're 100% right about that. I buy the games I can and the rest I wait for a while some I get back to some I don't. What you described is much more than just judging a book by it's cover. You went out of your way to watch videos of the combat, getting info on the number of playable characters, and other game mechanics none of which appealed to you. In your initial statement I was under the impression that you were simply judging the game base on the characters. I can completely understand you not liking the game with the reasons you gave here.





IAmCrimsonLegion said:
I don't care if one gender is playable or not, as long as the game is good. I didn't have any issues at all with FFX-2's all female group back when I was a kid. If it were an all-female group in this game, I'd feel the same way if there were no playable guys. The fact that the director even has to explain himself about their role in the game speaks volumes, though.

 

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Male characters are far better written in FF ...



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sc94597 said:

I am still not seeing why there can't be a comradeship with a female character or two unless their view of a female character is a stereotypical love interest/feminine female. Representing genres as archetypes is bad writing. And I don't think the road trip trope is necessarily new to the genre. It just never was explictly represented as an actual road trip. 

 

There could be, and there's nothing wrong with that. Each Final Fantasy is different, and I think having an all male party is just one way this FF is trying to be different and stand out. All of their personalities will be decidedly masculine... what is the point of swapping a character's gender if they're going to behave more or less the same anyway? Just for the sake of diversity? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you. And "representing genres as archetypes" does not automatically make for bad writing. It depends on the context.





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A_Robo_Commando said:
sc94597 said:

I am still not seeing why there can't be a comradeship with a female character or two unless their view of a female character is a stereotypical love interest/feminine female. Representing genres as archetypes is bad writing. And I don't think the road trip trope is necessarily new to the genre. It just never was explictly represented as an actual road trip. 

 

There could be, and there's nothing wrong with that. Each Final Fantasy is different, and I think having an all male party is just one way this FF is trying to be different and stand out. All of their personalities will be decidedly masculine... what is the point of swapping a character's gender if they're going to behave more or less the same anyway? Just for the sake of diversity? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you. And "representing genres as archetypes" does not automatically make for bad writing. It depends on the context.



Because people are people and most aren't hypermasculine nor hyperfeminine. A female character can have a femine perspective and certain femine features without being a stereotypical woman. She could also have the same comradery that a male character has while retaining it. Ultimately though it adds diversity to the cast and can be interesting to have an intermixture of sexes without either being stereotypes. When somebody says the cast must be all male, it makes it seem as if they don't have the imagination to write a realistic female character that can have that same sense of comradery. My point is that there needs to be a better reason (plot-wise) for the impediment of role-playing  than, "a female character would lack comradery." 



sc94597 said:
A_Robo_Commando said:
sc94597 said:

I am still not seeing why there can't be a comradeship with a female character or two unless their view of a female character is a stereotypical love interest/feminine female. Representing genres as archetypes is bad writing. And I don't think the road trip trope is necessarily new to the genre. It just never was explictly represented as an actual road trip. 

 

There could be, and there's nothing wrong with that. Each Final Fantasy is different, and I think having an all male party is just one way this FF is trying to be different and stand out. All of their personalities will be decidedly masculine... what is the point of swapping a character's gender if they're going to behave more or less the same anyway? Just for the sake of diversity? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you. And "representing genres as archetypes" does not automatically make for bad writing. It depends on the context.



Because people are people and most aren't hypermasculine nor hyperfeminine. A female character can have a femine perspective and certain femine features without being a stereotypical woman. She could also have the same comradery that a male character has while retaining it. Ultimately though it adds diversity to the cast and can be interesting to have an intermixture of sexes without either being stereotypes. When somebody says the cast must be all male, it makes it seem as if they don't have the imagination to write a realistic female character that can have that same sense of comradery. My point is that there needs to be a better reason (plot-wise) for the impediment of role-playing  than, "a female character would lack comradery." 

So... because diversity. Gotcha. I mean, if that's your preference, more power to ya.

I didn't see the line about comradery on here. I agree with your position on that. Not that a reason is needed to have an all male party, but if you're going to have one, "comradery" is kinda lame.





Sony, if you're reading this, do something new with The Legend of Dragoon. You will make me a happy man. Thanks.

A_Robo_Commando said:
sc94597 said:
A_Robo_Commando said:
sc94597 said:

I am still not seeing why there can't be a comradeship with a female character or two unless their view of a female character is a stereotypical love interest/feminine female. Representing genres as archetypes is bad writing. And I don't think the road trip trope is necessarily new to the genre. It just never was explictly represented as an actual road trip. 

 

There could be, and there's nothing wrong with that. Each Final Fantasy is different, and I think having an all male party is just one way this FF is trying to be different and stand out. All of their personalities will be decidedly masculine... what is the point of swapping a character's gender if they're going to behave more or less the same anyway? Just for the sake of diversity? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you. And "representing genres as archetypes" does not automatically make for bad writing. It depends on the context.



Because people are people and most aren't hypermasculine nor hyperfeminine. A female character can have a femine perspective and certain femine features without being a stereotypical woman. She could also have the same comradery that a male character has while retaining it. Ultimately though it adds diversity to the cast and can be interesting to have an intermixture of sexes without either being stereotypes. When somebody says the cast must be all male, it makes it seem as if they don't have the imagination to write a realistic female character that can have that same sense of comradery. My point is that there needs to be a better reason (plot-wise) for the impediment of role-playing  than, "a female character would lack comradery." 

So... because diversity. Gotcha. I mean, if that's your preference, more power to ya.

I didn't see the line about comradery on here. I agree with your position on that. Not that a reason is needed to have an all male party, but if you're going to have one, "comradery" is kinda lame.



I am not an SWJ. My point is that when I experience a story I like a diverse cast of well-developed, human-like characters. The statement "we chose a male cast because of comradary (euphemism)" shows neither a diverse cast nor well develop characters in my opinion. 



sc94597 said:
A_Robo_Commando said:
sc94597 said:
A_Robo_Commando said:
sc94597 said:

I am still not seeing why there can't be a comradeship with a female character or two unless their view of a female character is a stereotypical love interest/feminine female. Representing genres as archetypes is bad writing. And I don't think the road trip trope is necessarily new to the genre. It just never was explictly represented as an actual road trip. 

 

There could be, and there's nothing wrong with that. Each Final Fantasy is different, and I think having an all male party is just one way this FF is trying to be different and stand out. All of their personalities will be decidedly masculine... what is the point of swapping a character's gender if they're going to behave more or less the same anyway? Just for the sake of diversity? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you. And "representing genres as archetypes" does not automatically make for bad writing. It depends on the context.



Because people are people and most aren't hypermasculine nor hyperfeminine. A female character can have a femine perspective and certain femine features without being a stereotypical woman. She could also have the same comradery that a male character has while retaining it. Ultimately though it adds diversity to the cast and can be interesting to have an intermixture of sexes without either being stereotypes. When somebody says the cast must be all male, it makes it seem as if they don't have the imagination to write a realistic female character that can have that same sense of comradery. My point is that there needs to be a better reason (plot-wise) for the impediment of role-playing  than, "a female character would lack comradery." 

So... because diversity. Gotcha. I mean, if that's your preference, more power to ya.

I didn't see the line about comradery on here. I agree with your position on that. Not that a reason is needed to have an all male party, but if you're going to have one, "comradery" is kinda lame.



I am not an SWJ. My point is that when I experience a story I like a diverse cast of well-developed, human-like characters. The statement "we chose a male cast because of comradary (euphemism)" shows neither a diverse cast nor well develop characters in my opinion. 

I think we have to wait until we play the game to decide whether the characters are well developed or not.  ;)



Sony, if you're reading this, do something new with The Legend of Dragoon. You will make me a happy man. Thanks.