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Wich one?

I prefer Monolith 240 52.06%
 
I prefer Retro Studio 221 47.94%
 
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curl-6 said:
MTZehvor said:
curl-6 said:

That's what I mean though; people are now worried that they'll be disappointed yet again. Retro are not longer considered a studio that can do no wrong.

I'm not sure that being assigned a project that wasn't as ambitious makes people feel worse about Retro; if anything, it seemed to direct hatred towards Nintendo for overhyping a game that probably didn't deserve it. Releasing one less than amibitous game doesn't qualify as a major stain on a company, though; if it did, Monoloth would have been abandoned long ago. Rare as well, if you'll recall the collective "meh" response to DKC3 (ignoring what happened to them post Microsoft acquisition).

I wouldn't call it so much of a stain on their record, more that it has diminished people's excitement for their future projects because there's no longer the assurance that whatever they do will push boundaries.

I think that hits the nail on the head.  Its not at all that their game-making chops are in question.  Just like the EAD teams, who also do a lot of experiment with directions and scale and style.  But Retro didn't build themselves on that, their rep is built on Metroid Prime, on building big games that are ambitious and polished and, most importantly, can go blow-for-blow with the big boys of the AAA 3rd parties and rival consoles' exclusives.  As such, the DKCR series comes off as out of place and a misuse of resources, not cause they're bad but because Retro can do much more. And this undercuts expectations. Now, Monolith Soft is doing the Retro thing of building massive and ambitious games that can stand up to rivals from the rest of the industry.  





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Well, if you were to ask me which game is better in my own personal opinion, Xenoblade Chronicles or Metroid Prime, I would have to go with Xenoblade Chronicles. If you were to ask me which is the second best game IMO, Metroid Prime 2 or Xenoblade X, I'd have to go with Xenoblade X.



Monolith is nowhere near the level of Retro despite the fanboys of the recent Xenoblade voting

Monolith has neither created an all time great title (relatively speaking it is insignificant next to something like Metroid Prime) nor has it dealt with more than one large IP. credit to them but it's not even a question



bigtakilla said:
Well, if you were to ask me which game is better in my own personal opinion, Xenoblade Chronicles or Metroid Prime, I would have to go with Xenoblade Chronicles. If you were to ask me which is the second best game IMO, Metroid Prime 2 or Xenoblade X, I'd have to go with Xenoblade X.

 


in terms of quality and objective rating that is ridiculous. Xenoblade is large and well done but it is nothing particularly new. Metroid Prime was a game changer



Miyamotoo said:
They are high chances Nintendo will revile Retros project this year.

I sure hope they don't revile their new project, that would be disappointing after waiting so long to hear about it.  

Seriously, we should have a reveal of some kind in 2016 about Retro next project and I can't wait to see what it is.



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mountaindewslave said:
bigtakilla said:
Well, if you were to ask me which game is better in my own personal opinion, Xenoblade Chronicles or Metroid Prime, I would have to go with Xenoblade Chronicles. If you were to ask me which is the second best game IMO, Metroid Prime 2 or Xenoblade X, I'd have to go with Xenoblade X.

 


in terms of quality and objective rating that is ridiculous. Xenoblade is large and well done but it is nothing particularly new. Metroid Prime was a game changer

I don't really think we need to question Xenoblades quality, lol.





mountaindewslave said:
bigtakilla said:
Well, if you were to ask me which game is better in my own personal opinion, Xenoblade Chronicles or Metroid Prime, I would have to go with Xenoblade Chronicles. If you were to ask me which is the second best game IMO, Metroid Prime 2 or Xenoblade X, I'd have to go with Xenoblade X.

 


in terms of quality and objective rating that is ridiculous. Xenoblade is large and well done but it is nothing particularly new. Metroid Prime was a game changer

...what on Earth is an "objective rating?"



Metroid Prime is one of the best games of all time! With that said Monolith Soft is the better studio now. Bring up prime is like bringing up old rare titles and acting like there still a great studio. Now retro is not as bad as rare is now but there not putting out console defining games. When I look back at wii u in the future x will for now be one of those games that defined and showcased what this console could do. Even Nintendo knows what they have in the studio as e3 and n directs have always showcased x as a flagship title. And I think that's where alot of this comes from directs and e3 retro has let down fans for a long time now by showing nothing or playing it safe with dk. Meanwhile x for this gen has pushed the hardware and has been the highlight for there directs. Nintendo doesn't need more platformers chose your next game wisely retro,2 dk games in 8 years doesn't cut it despite them being good . They need to push the hardware like Monolith! If next games dk it better be in 3d damn it!



curl-6 said:
wombat123 said:
curl-6 said:

I still think Retro is still the better studio, but Monolith has definitely been far better utilized this generation. Nintendo take advantage of Monolith's ability to make the kind of games EAD can't, but then task Retro with the sort of games EAD already has well covered.

Xenoblade Chronicles X shows Monolith going all out, while Tropical Freeze shows Retro in cruise control.

I disagree with the assessment that Retro Studios is currently better because the only thing we have to judge the current itertion of the studio (since most of the Metorid Prime people left) are two reletively low-risk platformers.  I think if you compare that with what Monolith Soft did with Xenoblade and Xenoblade X, most people are going to agree that the Xenoblade games are more impressive.   That being said, my opinion can change depending on Retro's next game.

I don't think Tropical Freeze indicates a reduction in the studio's actual game-making skill though, simply less ambition and vision. Their craftsmanship is still superb, it's just that they are playing it safe and no longer pushing the envelope.

 

Well we all know how Retro works and we also know that after their usual game chosing process they were told by Nintendo to make another DK game, so it's only understandable that thy weren't that happy on working on DK all over again...



MTZehvor said:
Pavolink said:
Yes this gen and by a long shoot. Xenoblade X is one of the must haves of the Wii U while Retro's game is a dissapointing unambitious project that looks like from a gen before compared to X. Right now people is more excited to know about the next Monolith project than Retro, as Monolith has proved that they can puso the hardware rather than playing safe.

Right now there's zero hype for Retro, unlike at the start of the gen.

Bit of a bold statement, and one I'm not entirely sure how you can make. Care to back that up?

As for the OP, I think it might be worth waiting for Monolith to make more than two good games for Nintendo systems before we declare it as anything.

 

There are interviews asking Monolith about their next project. Nobody is asking about Retro. Neither forums, journalism or anyone. TF was the hype killer for them.

Nobody outside of few ones will be excited for another DK.



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