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zero129 said:
Lawlight said:
zero129 said:

 



PC gaming would never have died - thanks to console gaming.




What would consoles have to do with keeping PC gaming alive?

Console games getting ported to PC, of course. With MS bringing the similar architecture philosophy, porting to PC has become very easy. There is no reason no to have a pc version of game these days.



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haxxiy said:
zero129 said:
 

Wow to the OP. For a person that doesnt care much about PC gaming your sure doing alot lately to paint it in a bad light. Even going as far as to seek out a obscure foreign article that has nothing to do with the gaming side of the PC industry, But yet try to use it to make the gaming side look like its doing bad. Some key points that you missed in your article.
1. Its talking about manufactures such as Dell etc and how its harder for smaller ones to compete with the likes of Dell and the bigger companys, so they suspect many of them smaller ones to shut down.
Fact is most gamers build their own gaming PC's and dont buy from Dell so nothing changes here.
2. The PC Gaming industry has been growing YoY and is bigger now then its ever been. So even if the overall PC market shrunk the gaming side can still grow much larger YoY since the two markets are not the same.
3. Even if Yearly sales of the PC shrunk to 220 Million. Do you realize that even if 20% of them sales where gamers that would still be more then what the PS4 would be selling in a year??

Anyway ill leave this here for you since it fits perfect



Gaming PCs apparently are 2.5% of total - http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12053-015-9371-1

A lot of people game on PCs, yeah, but play Minecraft or Counter Strike on Intel HD Graphics or GeForce 210s from standard office or commercial computers. Even on Steam, which reunites a dedicated market of PC gamers, the "low end" prevails. Not quite exactly the hardcore market that is often compared to consoles!

I play on PC BTW.

2.5% isn't as bad as one can think, as this includes every PC in offices and the like. And considering the 2.5% consume about 20% of the total energy need of computers according to the article, it's pretty clear they don't mean computers with onboard or entry level graphics.

Too bad Steam hardware survey doesn't seem to be available right now, but yeah, entry-level cards and iGPs make a ~15% chunk of the whole Steam hardware stats as far as I can remember. Most of them probably on Ultrabooks and used for CS or other older/less demanding games. Curiously, Minecraft looks rather dead on Steam, it's not even charting unless I overlooked it: http://store.steampowered.com/stats/?





zero129 said:

IF we where to go by what you say its PC gaming that kept console gaming alive, since the biggiest IP's on consoles today started life on PC's...

Those IPs would have died down without consoles. Like FIFA, for example, or CoD.





Lawlight said:
zero129 said:

IF we where to go by what you say its PC gaming that kept console gaming alive, since the biggiest IP's on consoles today started life on PC's...

Those IPs would have died down without consoles. Like FIFA, for example, or CoD.

FiFA's biggest market is Germany, where PC gaming has always been strong. I don't think they would have died on PC, but less users than they have now with multiple supports would have been the case for sure.

CoD, as it is, however would have possibly gone the way of the Dodo, as there is much bigger concurrence on PC for the game. On the other hand, BlOps III, and BlOps II, MW2 and MW3 Multiplayer are all charting on Steams Top 100 right now. I just don't think they could keep it annualized if there was just the PC platform



zero129 said:
Ruler said:

http://www.finanzen.ch/nachrichten/aktien/Ausblick-Wie-hart-trifft-2016-die-PC-Industrie-1000980670

 

 

BERLIN (AWP International) - Actually, this should be the year 2016, in which the long time weak PC market finally goes back on the road to recovery. But in the meantime also believe previously confident industry analysts no longer in it. For the PC industry, it goes into the next shrink year, expect the two large IT market researchers Gartner and IDC.The question is how long some players can withstand the pressure, experts warn.

 

For the doldrums several reasons came together. There is the ongoing smartphone boom, have become at the computer in the palm format main unit. At the same time significantly more consumers and businesses give more satisfaction than a decade ago with the performance of their current PCs. At the time, faster processors and more memory was still a safe purchase incentive. In addition, the strong dollar makes the computer in many countries around the world more expensive and slows down the willingness to buy even more.

 

Just the price of the US currency could bring smaller manufacturers arg in distress, warns analyst Ranjit Atwal, Gartner. "The manufacturers have no choice but to pass on the higher prices to the customers." Otherwise, the losses they might be too high. In the industry is mainly priced in dollars, over the entire production chain, the costs of manufacturers had increased by the exchange rates of up to 20 percent. In the long run could six or seven producers remain, expects the Gartner expert. It is precisely in the business of PC industry a certain size is important for the business to efficiently.

 

This was already evident in 2015. The weakness of the PC market hit the manufacturers anything but evenly. So built the three largest providers Lenovo, Hewlett-Packard and Dell market share in the third quarter even from - even if only by the fact that their sales declined more slowly than the industry average. They are supported mainly by doing business with companies.

 

Overall, the market shrank in the quarter, according to IDC by 10.8 percent compared to the same quarter last year. For the big three that were down three to five per cent - on the other hand the Taiwanese manufacturer Acer broke away more than a quarter of sales. He was ousted from fourth place in the industry from Apple. The iPhone comes with its Macs now consolidated according to IDC figures for a market share of 7.5 per cent - and the lack of cheap models ensures that Apple makes solid gains even in the difficult PC market.

 

The slump in the third quarter is all the more striking because in the new quarter of Microsoft's operating system Windows 10 came on the market. But a sales boost was this time from initially. One reason may be that Microsoft users current Windows versions offering one year of free upgrade to the new software - so once need not buy new equipment. IDC expects a noticeable Windows 10 effect only after expiry of this offer.

 

"The PC manufacturers have come to the conclusion that PC demand will not grow any more," said recently the experienced IT Analyst Tim Bajarin-. They assumed that annual sales will remain in the coming years, at 285 and 300 million devices. But if they - as some providers fear - slumping to 250 or 225 million, "we must prepare ourselves for a PC world in which only HP, Dell and Lenovo survive," warned Bajarin. Last controlled the big three, according to IDC approximately 55 percent of the market by 51 percent a year ago.

 

At the same time there are also in the PC business still quite growth areas. So put on the sales especially thin notebooks, the so-called "ultra-mobile". New powerful and fuel-efficient processors from Intel to accelerate the trend. In cases where the "Ultra Mobile" in 2015, according to Gartner around 15 percent of sales from 2017 to one in four PC belong to the equipment category. Meanwhile, try Microsoft with its Surface-series and now to establish itself with the big Apple iPad Pro and Google with the pixel C, tablets with attachable keyboard as vision for the future of the personal computer. Whether this plan will work, is still open.

 

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told you so

Wow to the OP. For a person that doesnt care much about PC gaming your sure doing alot lately to paint it in a bad light. Even going as far as to seek out a obscure foreign article that has nothing to do with the gaming side of the PC industry, But yet try to use it to make the gaming side look like its doing bad. Some key points that you missed in your article.
1. Its talking about manufactures such as Dell etc and how its harder for smaller ones to compete with the likes of Dell and the bigger companys, so they suspect many of them smaller ones to shut down.
Fact is most gamers build their own gaming PC's and dont buy from Dell so nothing changes here.
2. The PC Gaming industry has been growing YoY and is bigger now then its ever been. So even if the overall PC market shrunk the gaming side can still grow much larger YoY since the two markets are not the same.
3. Even if Yearly sales of the PC shrunk to 220 Million. Do you realize that even if 20% of them sales where gamers that would still be more then what the PS4 would be selling in a year??

Anyway ill leave this here for you since it fits perfect



Nothing is made up, you can google the same articles in english. I made an other thread in the past predicting that PC gaming will shrink in europe over console gaming dueto a low euro, and i had another article stating that German PC gamers switch to the PS4. I will continiue to make threads like these if i find more information since everyone rediculate my original prediction. It has nothing to do with me hating on PC gaming

Stronger US dollar is hurting every hardware bussines including PC components





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