Standard's CHANGE with respect to time. Maybe PC gamers that are so sensitive about performance should've encouraged that we stay on last gen consoles ...  

@Bold I didn't imply that you were ... 

Standards change?, oh you mean to suit your logic?. No I'm sorry but 60fps has been a stable standard for a very long time along with performance in general, this is why we do benchmarks, not ignore them and go "hyuk hyik game runs at 20fps fine for me=fine for everyone else".

Maybe you are sensitive about what is a stanrdard and what isn't because maybe then you'd realise you were wrong and simply don't want to face it so you;d rather call another group of an entire platform "insecure" and idiots.

You implied very much so, why not carry on with it and be done?, why crawl away from such an accusation?, you want to make a big thing out of one reviewers choice which you think is objectively better than by all means go on but finish what you started at least.

Who said going backwards wasn't possible ? Shutting down an argument before even attempting a rebuttal, all too familiar ... 

Woah, you derailed this thread pretty quickly with just your last line ... 

Going backwards?, what are you even on about?.

Are you threatening me?.

Heavely depends on your actual hardware - and even then not in one sitting as the game is so twitchy it still crashes all the damn time

60FPS is a bonus on consoles, but had been the standard on PC since te 80's. There's a reason why there is a group calling themselves Framerate Police on Steam which notes every single game which doesn't have 60FPS as a possibility (independent on your hardware power, meaning a hard limit set by the publisher/developer) right out of the box.

But 60FPS ain't the real problem at this port, the problem being the massive framerate drops which happen all the time. And these go all the way down to less than 5FPS even on highest-end hardware, turning the game basically into a diashow and rendering it unplayable when these happen. The latest patches have made them a bit less severe (meaning down to <10FPS instead of <5), but at the same time max FPS of many cards have dropped at the same time, especially mid-range ones which didn't have many frames to begin with.

The devs even admitted the code is broken beyond repair, but still WB (who must have known it!) pushed the game into sale despite all these problems. Like Jim says it's a special mention: The game itself doesn't warrant a place on the list (though it's easely the worst of the series), but the shady practices by WB needed to be noted and "honored"

Standards CAN take a step backwards, if that's not obvious then I don't know what is. Backwards compatibility used to be more common but now it's not. Paying for online on consoles is going backwards in terms of consumer cost. Those are examples of standards going BACKWARDS ...

The question should be are you interpreting my posts correctly ? It's not like I have any ill intent in this thread ...

Lmao, it's hilarious to see the pc elitists flip out over something so minor and take everything as a "threat". OT: the video is funny but true. On a side note, Stat Citizen is coming along nicely, but Dragon Nest N.A. has been more of a blast to me.

Except the standards haven't stepped backwards in this case, you are stating to me that they have for this game, you think it;s acceptable to you and think it's objectively acceptable to all PC gamers, you imply that the stndards have gone backwards because if you didn't then it wouldn't fit with your line of logic.

backwards compat is a thing on PC and has been for years, you're talking about consoles and are bringing them into this with their standards, stop trying to mix the two as if they are one set of stands, we're talking about standards strictly on PC gaming here.

You had ill intent when you jumped in to talk about Jim sterling being objectively wrong instead of going with "Oh I thought it was an amazing game on PC" and elft it at that, instead we're here debating about standards and implying I;m an idiot to which you respond with "whoa buddy you derailing the thread" which tells me that you are setting up to report me because like it or not that's where you wanted it to ehad after I told you to finish calling me what you heavily implied and you know where that would land yourself so you decided to twist things around, that's actual ill intent right there, you wanted to imply I was an idiot for agreeing with Jim that "the game is shit because of a port that devs don't go to the lengths for it's optimizations is just utter stupidity".

See you know what transpired with the game towards it;s PC devlopement, you know exactly what lengths were gone to make the port and you know the end results, you have seen the wrath and the otucry that this game recieved and reviewers and sites documented a lot of that occurance, you think it's a great game but that does not stop it from being a shit one on PC and that was the end result and no such decent legnths were made to ensure it was going to be a good port, even after it was pulled from the shelves, what Jim said was actually right and a fact that is shared by a lot of PC gamers.

The reason we are even at this point is because you are chomping at the bit about one mans view on a very negative situation that transpired and decided to warp what's a standard and what isn't to suit your view on Jim's, at the end of the day it was a bad port on PC which effectively made it a shit game for PC players, that is where the end of the line is.

Well the very last thing you got wrong was Activision publishing Arkham Knight when it was Warner Bros ...

Last I checnked, large framerate dips are due to lower amount of video memory, not because of bugs ... 

Just get more powerful hardware to solve the problem ...

He pointed out that powerful HW doesn't solve the problem, in fact it doesn't always solve such problems at all, I've seen a few gamers on YT who do benchmarks with different sorts of high end that still don't get the stable frames on AK.

See Shadow of Mordor works fine on my 980 and other folks hardware that stems from 780-980 ti's, AK just runs like trash on most builds and still does.

So far this year on my 980 the games I've played ran fine with me in terms of AAA:

Witcher 3

Dying Light

Shadow of Mordor

Star Wars Battlefront

The difference here is that those games listed above were all well recieved good ports and none of them pulled a WB on their games, not even for SoM.