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Insidb on 05 January 2016
Lawlight said:
Insidb said:

There were releases in 1939, 1942, 1947, 1954, 1961, 1967, 1971, 1974, 1989, 1998, 2013, and 2014: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gone_with_the_Wind_(film)#Later_releases

No mention of the theatre count or grossings so it's kinda pointless to discuss re-releases (it could be a handful of theatres for all we know). The 2 that we have data of show a low amount.

Btw, the original Star Wars has releases in 1977, 1978, 1979, 1981, 1982 and 1997.

There must be a roll-up that BOM has done to account for the showings, because several of the later releases aren't noted as limited.





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Lawlight on 05 January 2016
Wonktonodi said:
Lawlight said:

It can however many re-releases, that won't matter since re-releases don't make a lot of money (unless they re-release in in 20 years' time as a wide release but even then...).

Oh indeed most limited rerelease of the classics these days do little but there is a lot of room between The Star Wars special editions run and Gone with the Winds 75th aniversary depeding on how far it get's now, a rerelease down the line could bump it up a few spots on the list, but until we are much closer to seeing just how much it does now there is no point predicting what future rereleases may or may not add.

 

I see that. Still re-releases don't matter these days. Back then the theatre count was low compared to today. There's twice as many theatres in the US now than in 1980 and even less in the 60s so back then staggered releases and long runs made sense. Think about it - in recent times, what was the last movie that grossed a significant amount from re-releases?



Wonktonodi on 05 January 2016
Lawlight said:
Wonktonodi said:

Oh indeed most limited rerelease of the classics these days do little but there is a lot of room between The Star Wars special editions run and Gone with the Winds 75th aniversary depeding on how far it get's now, a rerelease down the line could bump it up a few spots on the list, but until we are much closer to seeing just how much it does now there is no point predicting what future rereleases may or may not add.

 

I see that. Still re-releases don't matter these days. Back then the theatre count was low compared to today. There's twice as many theatres in the US now than in 1980 and even less in the 60s so back then staggered releases and long runs made sense. Think about it - in recent times, what was the last movie that grossed a significant amount from re-releases?

a little further back E.T. 20th aniversary did 35 million in 2002

then these are the most sucessful 3d rereleases, though when they were rerelease they weren't exclusively in 3d

Lion King 3d 94 million in 2011

Titanic 3d almost 58 million in 2012

Jurrasic park 45 million 2013

 

All those movies except E.T. moved up several on the chart with those rereleases and had it done a few million probably 3 or so back in 02 it would also be up a spot since it's less than 5 million behind the next movie on the list.

Bringing all this back to Star Wars TFA depending on where it ends up on that list it could be just a few million shy of the next movie, unless it does get up to number 3 at that point the gaps get huge the gap between 2 and 3 is almost twice as big as the gap between 3 and 8.

Currently I expect it to end up from 3 to 9 on the list. With 9 very likely even if its starts dropping more rapidly, while 3 being possible if it's legs are closer to Avatars than Jurrasic World or the Avengers. Basing that on what percentage those movies had taken in after 17days. Should it be even more front loaded than any of those it still has a little room before it wouldn't beat # 9 on the list

 





Lawlight on 05 January 2016
Wonktonodi said:

a little further back E.T. 20th aniversary did 35 million in 2002

then these are the most sucessful 3d rereleases, though when they were rerelease they weren't exclusively in 3d

Lion King 3d 94 million in 2011

Titanic 3d almost 58 million in 2012

Jurrasic park 45 million 2013

 

All those movies except E.T. moved up several on the chart with those rereleases and had it done a few million probably 3 or so back in 02 it would also be up a spot since it's less than 5 million behind the next movie on the list.

Bringing all this back to Star Wars TFA depending on where it ends up on that list it could be just a few million shy of the next movie, unless it does get up to number 3 at that point the gaps get huge the gap between 2 and 3 is almost twice as big as the gap between 3 and 8.

Currently I expect it to end up from 3 to 9 on the list. With 9 very likely even if its starts dropping more rapidly, while 3 being possible if it's legs are closer to Avatars than Jurrasic World or the Avengers. Basing that on what percentage those movies had taken in after 17days. Should it be even more front loaded than any of those it still has a little room before it wouldn't beat # 9 on the list

 

94M, 58M, 45M, that's nothing in the grand scheme of adjusted for inflation gross. Also, keep in mind that those movies were released at a time where there was 70% less theatres in the US.

 



Wonktonodi on 05 January 2016
Lawlight said:
Wonktonodi said:

a little further back E.T. 20th aniversary did 35 million in 2002

then these are the most sucessful 3d rereleases, though when they were rerelease they weren't exclusively in 3d

Lion King 3d 94 million in 2011

Titanic 3d almost 58 million in 2012

Jurrasic park 45 million 2013

 

All those movies except E.T. moved up several on the chart with those rereleases and had it done a few million probably 3 or so back in 02 it would also be up a spot since it's less than 5 million behind the next movie on the list.

Bringing all this back to Star Wars TFA depending on where it ends up on that list it could be just a few million shy of the next movie, unless it does get up to number 3 at that point the gaps get huge the gap between 2 and 3 is almost twice as big as the gap between 3 and 8.

Currently I expect it to end up from 3 to 9 on the list. With 9 very likely even if its starts dropping more rapidly, while 3 being possible if it's legs are closer to Avatars than Jurrasic World or the Avengers. Basing that on what percentage those movies had taken in after 17days. Should it be even more front loaded than any of those it still has a little room before it wouldn't beat # 9 on the list

 

94M, 58M, 45M, that's nothing in the grand scheme of adjusted for inflation gross. Also, keep in mind that those movies were released at a time where there was 70% less theatres in the US.

 

 

you need to stop looking at this from it's all about movie #1

$94M would bump any movie on that list up multiple spots outside the top 10 and within the top 10 at least one spot for all but the 2nd 3rd and 9th and that's just the raw number the S94M was from 2011 so probably now over $100M even those other amounts add up. Titanic wouldn't be top 5. Jurrasic Park, The Phantom Menace or the Lion King wouldn't be in the top 20.

What are you talking about with the 70% less theaters?



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Farsala on 05 January 2016

Crazy

So US+ Canada ~= France, Italy, Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands, Norway, Finland, Philippines, Thailand, U.K., Germany, Austria, Russia, South Korea, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Spain, Venezuela, India, Greece, South Korea, Vietnam, Portugal, (more?)

Crazy for such a big film, China will of course put Foreign market way ahead though.



pikashoe on 05 January 2016
Farsala said:
Crazy

So US+ Canada ~= France, Italy, Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands, Norway, Finland, Philippines, Thailand, U.K., Germany, Austria, Russia, South Korea, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Spain, Venezuela, India, Greece, South Korea, Vietnam, Portugal, (more?)

Crazy for such a big film, China will of course put Foreign market way ahead though.

You have to take into account that cinemas aren't open in a lot of countries on christmas day and new years day and tend to have limited opening hours on christmas eve and new years eve. Still its very impressive how well its doing in the US+Canada





Insidb on 05 January 2016
pikashoe said:
Farsala said:
Crazy

So US+ Canada ~= France, Italy, Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands, Norway, Finland, Philippines, Thailand, U.K., Germany, Austria, Russia, South Korea, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Spain, Venezuela, India, Greece, South Korea, Vietnam, Portugal, (more?)

Crazy for such a big film, China will of course put Foreign market way ahead though.

You have to take into account that cinemas aren't open in a lot of countries on christmas day and new years day and tend to have limited opening hours on christmas eve and new years eve. Still its very impressive how well its doing in the US+Canada

I'm hoping for a second week type bump, in the third week for the EU.





Pavolink on 05 January 2016

Man, Titanic was a beast, and it was growing slowly, step by step. Well deserved.



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DakonBlackblade on 05 January 2016

FA seen to finaly have slowed down, "only" did liek 8.5 M on Monday. It had to happen sometime, with the kinda of box office it had on the first 3 weeks its bound to be a way more frontloaded run than Avatar and Titanic. Its still making more money dailly than Jurassic World was, wich is a much more realistic comparission for a movie that opened as big as FA did than Avatar or Titanic.