By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Gaming - Sony did it, what should Microsoft (Xbone) and Nintendo (WiiU) do to make a comeback?

theprof00 on 17 December 2015

Go back in time and release two of the best selling consoles of all time?

I mean, seriously, as far as things are going now, it would cost too much to compete. It's better to look into different avenues, or try again next gen. I think MS knows this too.



Around the Network
Sprash on 17 December 2015

Sony did that what nintendodidn't do or microsoft'n



 

 

Uabit on 17 December 2015

Nothing this time is too late. After 2016 with uncharted 4, gravity rush 2, horizon, the last guardian, possibly detroit etc. NOTHING WILL STOP THIS TRAIN.



pleaserecycle on 17 December 2015
oniyide said:
pleaserecycle said:
Nintendo needs a consistent release schedule. They missed a prime opportunity to maximize sales with a holiday 2015 release.

I believe that a true Mario 3D platformer and Zelda would have pushed the Wii U to GameCube levels.

 

GC levels is still bad

 

How so?  Financially?  Relative to PS sales?  



AsGryffynn on 17 December 2015
Lortsamler said:
AsGryffynn said:
Hiku said:

They would not be neck and neck with PS4 even if they had a successful launch. If you think so, then you haven't looked realistically at the market. Xbox is, and always has been, irrelevant in Asia, and much weaker than Playstation in mainland Europe, besides the UK. Successful launch or not. And a succesful PS4 launch would ensure that XB1 doesn't get nearly as much of a lead in the US and UK as it did last gen.,

And even though Japan is a smaller market, it is important because it leads to Xbox getting less Japanese games than Playstation even in the west, which has a bigger effect than some people think. It snowballs into more sales and games for PS, and things like Kojima chosing to make an exclusive for PS instead of Xbox is rekated to this. Even if this was last gen and PS3 and X360 were neck and neck, Kojima still wouldn't chose the 360, because his games, and games like them, just sell a lot less on Xbox. And it's also connected to their performance in Europe, since that audience tends to be of a more diverse taste. What's required for an Xbox to be neck and neck with Playstation, besides MS having a successful launch, is if Sony mess up their launch gigantically, like they did with the $600 PS3 launch. When Playstation has a successful launch, it's going to significantly beat the Xbox by default. Unless they drastically change their image and appeal to suit a wider market than just USA and UK. Them getting their launch correct this time wouldn't make Xbox more appealing to that demographic. We saw that in the previous two generations. The main reason X360 was so successful was because a lot of people jumped from PS2 to 360 because Sony messed up their PS3 launch. They don't have brand loyalty, so they would not be opposed to going back to Playstation again if the opportunity arrises. Again, what Xbox need to do to match Playstation is to make themselves more appealing to Europe and Asia. But they've had 15 years to do so, so it doesn't look like they will. They're too escure in their current brand image to risk something like that.

I don't really think that is a problem. They were pretty close in Europe last gen. Also, Kojima choose to create an exclusive IP, or did Sony commission the IP to them or promised funding?

As for a way to make themselves known in Europe and Japan, if they announced a Japanese and European lineup AT LAUNCH it would be easier for them to sway players over to their side, since they'd know the Xbox will cover their gaming preferences. Afterwards, if the lineup's good enough, things will snowball naturally.

This, however, means that rather than strike JP deals after launch, they ought to strike them before the gen even starts. The effort that they are putting out now is what they should at launch to succeed in selling their console...

Xbox was never "pretty close" in continental Europe,it had UK,and that's it. The rest of Europe was mainly PC,Nintendo and Playstation. The only reason some people bought a Xbox 360 for in Europe,was because of Forza and that it was easy to play pirated games on it. There are some diehard Xbox fans in Europe as well,but not many compared to the PC,Playstation and Nintendo crowd.  So Microsoft got some serious work ahead of them,if they want to conquer Europe,and that will not happen this gen,and most likely not next gen either,unless Sony screw up big time on PS5,and Nintendo screw up again. However,i do think Phil Spencer is heading in the right direction by the looks of it. 

http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/

They were, and Phil is not really helping...





Around the Network
tiffac on 18 December 2015
AsGryffynn said:

tiffac said:
Wait for Sony to go bankrupt and sell the Playstation division. Its much more closer to reality than MS selling off the Xbox division.

It's as close to the reality as the latter... which says a lot, since the latter has been pretty much confirmed that it's "not going to happen" in the foreseeable future...

You know that's a lie. Sony has been releasing nothing but shovelwares on their console and is only money hatting the big publishers to make it seems they have AAA games on their console. You know this has been happening since the PS2.

How can that type of company not go bankrupt in the near future?!



AsGryffynn on 18 December 2015
tiffac said:
AsGryffynn said:

tiffac said:
Wait for Sony to go bankrupt and sell the Playstation division. Its much more closer to reality than MS selling off the Xbox division.

It's as close to the reality as the latter... which says a lot, since the latter has been pretty much confirmed that it's "not going to happen" in the foreseeable future...

You know that's a lie. Sony has been releasing nothing but shovelwares on their console and is only money hatting the big publishers to make it seems they have AAA games on their console. You know this has been happening since the PS2.

How can that type of company not go bankrupt in the near future?!

Sadly, shovelware sells, and devs prefer money to good games... I still miss the PSOne days. Sony's next console and killing of their retrograde "dating sims and visual novels are not games" policies might allow me to jump back in...





Lortsamler on 18 December 2015
AsGryffynn said:
tiffac said:

You know that's a lie. Sony has been releasing nothing but shovelwares on their console and is only money hatting the big publishers to make it seems they have AAA games on their console. You know this has been happening since the PS2.

How can that type of company not go bankrupt in the near future?!

Sadly, shovelware sells, and devs prefer money to good games... I still miss the PSOne days. Sony's next console and killing of their retrograde "dating sims and visual novels are not games" policies might allow me to jump back in...

Can both of you take your fanboyhat and go somewhere else with your nonsense? I suggest IGN.





Sprash on 18 December 2015
AsGryffynn said:
tiffac said:

You know that's a lie. Sony has been releasing nothing but shovelwares on their console and is only money hatting the big publishers to make it seems they have AAA games on their console. You know this has been happening since the PS2.

How can that type of company not go bankrupt in the near future?!

Sadly, shovelware sells, and devs prefer money to good games... I still miss the PSOne days. Sony's next console and killing of their retrograde "dating sims and visual novels are not games" policies might allow me to jump back in...

I don't know what you're talking about but then I remember this from you:

You: "I don't mind obscure games, but there's an obvious difference between those and shovelware."

Hiku: "Then why do you avoid a whole console rather than just avoiding those games?"

You: "So that I do not benefit those devs and as an statement to Sony to raise their standards. What happened to the likes of Legend of Legaia, Chrono Cross and Bloody Roar? Why is everything nowadays Hakuoki, Omega Quintet and Neptunia? What happened to the Atelier series?"

Yeah I mean that's right by buying a ps4 you benefit all devs who made a shovelware game for the ps4, because they get money from sony from people just buying the console, but only the devs who made shovelware.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=210961&page=24

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=210961&page=25





 

 

AsGryffynn on 18 December 2015
Lortsamler said:
AsGryffynn said:

Sadly, shovelware sells, and devs prefer money to good games... I still miss the PSOne days. Sony's next console and killing of their retrograde "dating sims and visual novels are not games" policies might allow me to jump back in...

Can both of you take your fanboyhat and go somewhere else with your nonsense? I suggest IGN.

Not all of it is shovelware, but there is a lot of that in the system...

Sprash said:
AsGryffynn said:

Sadly, shovelware sells, and devs prefer money to good games... I still miss the PSOne days. Sony's next console and killing of their retrograde "dating sims and visual novels are not games" policies might allow me to jump back in...

I don't know what you're talking about but then I remember this from you:

You: "I don't mind obscure games, but there's an obvious difference between those and shovelware."

Hiku: "Then why do you avoid a whole console rather than just avoiding those games?"

You: "So that I do not benefit those devs and as an statement to Sony to raise their standards. What happened to the likes of Legend of Legaia, Chrono Cross and Bloody Roar? Why is everything nowadays Hakuoki, Omega Quintet and Neptunia? What happened to the Atelier series?"

Yeah I mean that's right by buying a ps4 you benefit all devs who made a shovelware game for the ps4, because they get money from sony from people just buying the console, but only the devs who made shovelware.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=210961&page=24

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=210961&page=25

The good devs do too, but they will be alright without the money. It's an statement.