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Is that enough footage?

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Pavolink said:
curl-6 said:

Hardcore fans will buy it regardless of its art style. But mainstream gamers prefer "serious" graphics to cartoon graphics, as you have already admitted and as the weekly sales charts prove. Appealing only to a fanbase that can support 4-5 million sales is foolish when you can reach wider and sell better.

Your problem is that you are only thinking of what you want, rather than  what the market wants, which is Nintendo's problem also.

Unfortunately, as long as Aonuma is in charge, the problem will exist. He knows about the art style, he changed TWW2 for Twilight Princess because people asked for that art style, he already knew at that time which one will sell better. Yet, even knowing all of this, he keeps obssesed with his cartoons Zeldas.

Well, he's getting old, hopefully he will either retire or take a step back to a less active role soon, and hand over the reins to someone less stubborn.



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curl-6 said:
Pavolink said:
curl-6 said:

Hardcore fans will buy it regardless of its art style. But mainstream gamers prefer "serious" graphics to cartoon graphics, as you have already admitted and as the weekly sales charts prove. Appealing only to a fanbase that can support 4-5 million sales is foolish when you can reach wider and sell better.

Your problem is that you are only thinking of what you want, rather than  what the market wants, which is Nintendo's problem also.

Unfortunately, as long as Aonuma is in charge, the problem will exist. He knows about the art style, he changed TWW2 for Twilight Princess because people asked for that art style, he already knew at that time which one will sell better. Yet, even knowing all of this, he keeps obssesed with his cartoons Zeldas.

Well, he's getting old, hopefully he will either retire or take a step back to a less active role soon, and hand over the reins to someone less stubborn.

 

I think he is capable of developing a non-cartoon Zelda, maybe someone above just needs to give the order. Kimishima looks like the kind of person.



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curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

Appealing only to the fans who will buy it anyway is foolish though, that only limits your potential audience. There are enough Zelda fans to support Wind Waker/Skyward Sword levels of sales. To reach Twilight Princess levels, you need to reach beyond just the established fanbase.

No, foolish is to make something that people actually buy your product dont want, that would be really foolish. Also Zelda U art style is far more appealing than WW/SS and almost everybody like it, reception about art style and graphics Zelda U were great.

Again, didn't had that sales because of art style and more dark look.

Hardcore fans will buy it regardless of its art style. But mainstream gamers prefer "serious" graphics to cartoon graphics, as you have already admitted and as the weekly sales charts prove. Appealing only to a fanbase that can support 4-5 million sales is foolish when you can reach wider and sell better.

Your problem is that you are only thinking of what you want, rather than  what the market wants, which is Nintendo's problem also.

Hardcore will probably buy it regardless, but not everybody will be satisfied.I also said that not mainstream gamers don't want only "serious" graphics (I already mentioned to you examples). No, its not appeling to fanbase that can support 4-5 million sales if Zelda U is also NX launch title and great Zelda game, we are talking here about similar TP numbers.

Of Course I thinking what I want (same like you), Nintendo is thinking what people that buying their product wants and that's good thing, you constantly saying like that is bad thing but its not.

At end of day, you thinking that Zelda U art style is not good choice (even has great reception from whole market) for Zelda game and that more "serious" graphics would be better, you also think that game will not sell great only because of art style. I think that Zelda U are style is just beautiful and perfect especially if we having on mind Wii U hardware, I dont think that series need more serious look only because "mainstream gamers", and if Zelda U is NX launch title also I expecting that will be one of the best selling Zelda games.



Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

Hardcore fans will buy it regardless of its art style. But mainstream gamers prefer "serious" graphics to cartoon graphics, as you have already admitted and as the weekly sales charts prove. Appealing only to a fanbase that can support 4-5 million sales is foolish when you can reach wider and sell better.

Your problem is that you are only thinking of what you want, rather than  what the market wants, which is Nintendo's problem also.

Hardcore will probably buy it regardless, but not everybody will be satisfied.I also said that not mainstream gamers don't want only "serious" graphics (I already mentioned to you examples). No, its not appeling to fanbase that can support 4-5 million sales if Zelda U is also NX launch title and great Zelda game, we are talking here about similar TP numbers.

Of Course I thinking what I want (same like you), Nintendo is thinking what people that buying their product wants and that's good thing, you constantly saying like that is bad thing but its not.

I'm not talking about what I want though. I like Zelda U's art style. I like it a lot. But I am divorcing my personal preferences from this and talking about what the market wants.
You can list as  many minority examples as you want, but the sales speak for themselves. In an average weekly sales chart, 8-10 of the top 10 have realistic/dark graphics. Of the top 5 selling games of this generation so far, not one has cartoon graphics.



curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

Hardcore fans will buy it regardless of its art style. But mainstream gamers prefer "serious" graphics to cartoon graphics, as you have already admitted and as the weekly sales charts prove. Appealing only to a fanbase that can support 4-5 million sales is foolish when you can reach wider and sell better.

Your problem is that you are only thinking of what you want, rather than  what the market wants, which is Nintendo's problem also.

Hardcore will probably buy it regardless, but not everybody will be satisfied.I also said that not mainstream gamers don't want only "serious" graphics (I already mentioned to you examples). No, its not appeling to fanbase that can support 4-5 million sales if Zelda U is also NX launch title and great Zelda game, we are talking here about similar TP numbers.

Of Course I thinking what I want (same like you), Nintendo is thinking what people that buying their product wants and that's good thing, you constantly saying like that is bad thing but its not.

I'm not talking about what I want though. I like Zelda U's art style. I like it a lot. But I am divorcing my personal preferences from this and talking about what the market wants.
You can list as  many minority examples as you want, but the sales speak for themselves. In an average weekly sales chart, 8-10 of the top 10 have realistic/dark graphics. Of the top 5 selling games of this generation so far, not one has cartoon graphics.

I also don't talking what I want, I talking about I think, but yes Nintendo is doing with Zelda U exactly I always wanted from Zelda game.

Of Course 8/10 have realistic/dark graphics when around 80-90% games today have that kind of graphics.

At end of day, you thinking that Zelda U art style is not good choice (even has great reception from whole market) for Zelda game and that more "serious" graphics would be better, you also think that game will not sell great only because of art style. I think that Zelda U are style is just beautiful and perfect especially if we having on mind Wii U hardware, I dont think that series need more serious look only because "mainstream gamers", and if Zelda U is NX launch title also I expecting that will be one of the best selling Zelda games.



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Miyamotoo said:

I also don't talking what I want, but yes Nintendo is doing with Zelda U exactly I always wanted from Zelda game.

Of Course 8/10 have realistic/dark graphics when around 80-90% games today have that kind of graphics.

At end of day, you thinking that Zelda U art style is not good choice (even has great reception from whole market) for Zelda game and that more "serious" graphics would be better, you also think that game will not sell great only because of art style. I think that Zelda U are style is just beautiful and perfect especially if we having on mind Wii U hardware, I dont think that series need more serious look only because "mainstream gamers", and if Zelda U is NX launch title also I expecting that will be one of the best selling Zelda games.

I never said art style was the only factor, (advertising, word of mouth, install base, etc also play a part) just that it is a major one.

And "better/worse" doesn't factor into it, I am only talking about sales. I guess time will tell, but I'm personally forecasting that Zelda U will not approach Twilight Princess sales. It'll be another Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass.



curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

I also don't talking what I want, but yes Nintendo is doing with Zelda U exactly I always wanted from Zelda game.

Of Course 8/10 have realistic/dark graphics when around 80-90% games today have that kind of graphics.

At end of day, you thinking that Zelda U art style is not good choice (even has great reception from whole market) for Zelda game and that more "serious" graphics would be better, you also think that game will not sell great only because of art style. I think that Zelda U are style is just beautiful and perfect especially if we having on mind Wii U hardware, I dont think that series need more serious look only because "mainstream gamers", and if Zelda U is NX launch title also I expecting that will be one of the best selling Zelda games.

I never said art style was the only factor, (advertising, word of mouth, install base, etc also play a part) just that it is a major one.

And "better/worse" doesn't factor into it, I am only talking about sales. I guess time will tell, but I'm personally forecasting that Zelda U will not approach Twilight Princess sales. It'll be another Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass.

But you again ignoring fact that WW sold 4.5m on instal base of 22m, hadn't been launch title and had very bad reception first from fans. While Zelda art style is far more appealing than WW and reception is great, it will be first HD, true open world with biggest world ever Zelda game, and it will probably be launch title on completely new platform also. But despite all that you again thinking they will have same sales.





Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

I never said art style was the only factor, (advertising, word of mouth, install base, etc also play a part) just that it is a major one.

And "better/worse" doesn't factor into it, I am only talking about sales. I guess time will tell, but I'm personally forecasting that Zelda U will not approach Twilight Princess sales. It'll be another Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass.

But you again ignoring fact that WW sold 4.5m on instal base of 22m, hadn't been launch title and had very bad reception first from fans. While Zelda art style is far more appealing than WW and reception is great, it will be first HD, true open world with biggest world ever Zelda game, and it will probably be launch title on completely new platform. But despite all that you again thinking they will have same sales.

Zelda U does have more mainstream appeal than WW, but not by a whole lot. Those factors will all be balanced out by it being toon, likely poor advertising, and the general decline in Nintendo's popularity and relevance.



curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

I never said art style was the only factor, (advertising, word of mouth, install base, etc also play a part) just that it is a major one.

And "better/worse" doesn't factor into it, I am only talking about sales. I guess time will tell, but I'm personally forecasting that Zelda U will not approach Twilight Princess sales. It'll be another Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass.

But you again ignoring fact that WW sold 4.5m on instal base of 22m, hadn't been launch title and had very bad reception first from fans. While Zelda art style is far more appealing than WW and reception is great, it will be first HD, true open world with biggest world ever Zelda game, and it will probably be launch title on completely new platform. But despite all that you again thinking they will have same sales.

Zelda U does have more mainstream appeal than WW, but not by a whole lot. Those factors will all be balanced out by it being toon, likely poor advertising, and the general decline in Nintendo's popularity and relevance.

I give you direct comparison with WW and ZeldaU, and ZeldaU is in advantage in any sense, but you despite all those facts that I wrote, you expecting same sales!?



Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

Zelda U does have more mainstream appeal than WW, but not by a whole lot. Those factors will all be balanced out by it being toon, likely poor advertising, and the general decline in Nintendo's popularity and relevance.

I give you direct comparison with WW and ZeldaU, and ZeldaU is in advantage in any sense, but you despite all those facts that I wrote, you expecting same sales!?

Not the same, probably a bit more thsan WW on account of its more mainstream art style and the fact that open world games are hot right now, but in the same ballpark, rather than in the 8-9 million league of Twilight Princess and Ocarina. I suppose only time will tell.