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curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Yes they are best selling Zelda games, but also fact is that one of them is most critically acclaimed game of all time, and another was launch title on best selling Nintendo console ever, also fact is that MM with same art style is one of the worst selling 3D Zelda game.

If you referring only to art style (that screenshot you post would be OK art style for Zelda), than I withdraw what I wrote, "making Zelda into something it's not", but again there is no real need to go back again to that art style.

You have admitted yourself in this thread that darker graphics are more popular than cartoon graphics, so there's good reason to go back to that art style.

No really, you have some sort of problem with memory!?

I wrote you few time answer on that question:

"Of Course that "serious" graphics are today way more popular, but that doesn't mean that game that looks different and unique and dont have same graphics like every other game will sell worse, on contrary, I think it will sell better. Zelda is same like other Nintendo games but on even more higher level, very unique, different and you dont have nothing similar on market."

"Today almost all games have "serious graphics" on much stronger hardwares than Nintendos (I am including PC too), it would be impossible for Nintendo to top those "serious graphics" and make something that looks very good and attractive for today standards, but Zelda U art style basically top all non "serious" graphics, looks beautiful, very unique and attractive, and that's what exactly Nintendo wants to achieve with every main 3D Zelda game."

"And you again completely ignored fact that Zelda with "serious graphics" (espacily on Wii U) wouldnt look good at all for today standards, while Zelda U looks great for today standards. Those mainstreams you referred to, would look at Zelda U with "serious graphics" and said this dont look good at all because they have so many game that looks so much better, while those same mainstream said for Zelda U "cartoon" art style, this looks different and interesting."

"Agree that something like that would probably be more appeal to the mainstream (personally I wouldn't have nothing against this type of art style for Zelda), but Nintendo definitely could not make something like that in open world Zelda game with Wii U hardware, maybe on NX.. On other hand Zelda U art style its perfect, looks beautiful and Nintendo despite weak hardware can make huge and detailed beautiful world with it."

Once again, there is no really nice way to say this, so I apologize if this sounds rude, but you seem incapable or unwilling to put aside your personal bias and view things objectively.

Throughout this discussion, you continually try to pass off your personal opinion as fact, and spin reality to fit your “Nintendo can do no wrong” agenda.

You think that because you like toon graphics, that means gamers in general love them. But they don't. Your tastes are not mainstream. You are a minority.

You bacicly reversed it all. :)

When I think something its fact, I wrote that is a fact: TP and OoT being best selling Zelda games fact, OoT being most critically acclaimed game ever fact, MM one of the worst selling 3D Zelda game fact, WW with cartoon art style sold with 4.5m on 22m instal base and sold better than MM with realistic art style fact, TP being launch title on best selling console fact, Nintendo cant make realistic art style open world Zelda game with Wii U hardware that will top todays games graphics fact...and guess what, you completly ignoring all those things that I numberous time wrote.

“Nintendo can do no wrong” agenda!? What are talking about!? I constantly saying that Nintendo made so many mistakes with Wii U for instance. But you on other hand you have Nintendo is doing only wrong things and nothing will be better agenda.

I dont like too much toon graphics, but Zelda U art style looks beatiful. Who said that games in general love toon graphics, I said that gamers love to have something different and unique also, not just realistic graphics for almost every game out there, mainstream also love art style of games like Bordarlands, Kingdoms Harts, Yourney, No Mans Sky.. despite they are dont have realistic graphics.

You didnt answer my question, you have some sort of problem with memory!?



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Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

Once again, there is no really nice way to say this, so I apologize if this sounds rude, but you seem incapable or unwilling to put aside your personal bias and view things objectively.

Throughout this discussion, you continually try to pass off your personal opinion as fact, and spin reality to fit your “Nintendo can do no wrong” agenda.

You think that because you like toon graphics, that means gamers in general love them. But they don't. Your tastes are not mainstream. You are a minority.

You bacicly reversed it all. :)

When I think something its fact, I wrote that is a fact: TP and OoT being best selling Zelda games fact, OoT being most critically acclaimed game ever fact, MM one of the worst selling 3D Zelda game fact, WW with cartoon art style sold with 4.5m on 22m instal base and sold better than MM with realistic art style fact, TP being launch title on best selling console fact, Nintendo cant make realistic art style game with Wii U hardware that will top todays game graphics fact...and guess what, you completly ignoring all those things that I numberous time wrote.

“Nintendo can do no wrong” agenda!? What are talking about!? I constantly saying that Nintendo made so many mistakes with Wii U for instance. But you on other hand you have Nintendo is doing only wrong things and nothing will be better agenda.

I dont like too much toon graphics, but Zelda U art style looks beatiful. Who said that games in general love toon graphics, I said that gamers love to have something different and unique also, not just realistic graphics for almost every game out there, mainstream also love art style of games like Bordarlands, Kingdoms Harts, Yourney, No Mans Sky.. despite they are dont have realistic graphics.

You didnt answer my question, you have some sort of problem with memory!?

A dark art style does not have to be photorealistic. It is completely possible with the Wii U's hardware to create darker graphics that are stylized enough not to look outdated.

And no, gamers in general do not want unique graphics. Look at the biggest sellers, almost none of them have unique art. Games like Borderlands are rare exceptions, not the norm.

Whether you or I like Zelda U's art style is irrelevant. What matters is that the sales charts make it abundantly obvious that it is not what most gamers want.



curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

Once again, there is no really nice way to say this, so I apologize if this sounds rude, but you seem incapable or unwilling to put aside your personal bias and view things objectively.

Throughout this discussion, you continually try to pass off your personal opinion as fact, and spin reality to fit your “Nintendo can do no wrong” agenda.

You think that because you like toon graphics, that means gamers in general love them. But they don't. Your tastes are not mainstream. You are a minority.

You bacicly reversed it all. :)

When I think something its fact, I wrote that is a fact: TP and OoT being best selling Zelda games fact, OoT being most critically acclaimed game ever fact, MM one of the worst selling 3D Zelda game fact, WW with cartoon art style sold with 4.5m on 22m instal base and sold better than MM with realistic art style fact, TP being launch title on best selling console fact, Nintendo cant make realistic art style game with Wii U hardware that will top todays game graphics fact...and guess what, you completly ignoring all those things that I numberous time wrote.

“Nintendo can do no wrong” agenda!? What are talking about!? I constantly saying that Nintendo made so many mistakes with Wii U for instance. But you on other hand you have Nintendo is doing only wrong things and nothing will be better agenda.

I dont like too much toon graphics, but Zelda U art style looks beatiful. Who said that games in general love toon graphics, I said that gamers love to have something different and unique also, not just realistic graphics for almost every game out there, mainstream also love art style of games like Bordarlands, Kingdoms Harts, Yourney, No Mans Sky.. despite they are dont have realistic graphics.

You didnt answer my question, you have some sort of problem with memory!?

A dark art style does not have to be photorealistic. It is completely possible with the Wii U's hardware to create darker graphics that are stylized enough not to look outdated.

And no, gamers in general do not want unique graphics. Look at the biggest sellers, almost none of them have unique art. Games like Borderlands are rare exceptions, not the norm.

Whether you or I like Zelda U's art style is irrelevant. What matters is that the sales charts make it abundantly obvious that it is not what most gamers want.

So you again ignoring what I wrote about facts..

Maybe, but realistic graphics and darker graphics are not same thing. OoT, MM and TP had realistic graphics, but only MM and TP really had dark graphics.

Borderlands, Minecraft, Kingdom Hearts, Journey, No Man's Sky...tells us that gamers also want something difrent and not just realistic graphics.

Of Course its irrelevant what I want, but that doesn't mean that realistic Zelda will sell better than Zelda with Zelda U art style, and fact is that Zelda U art style looks beautiful. Nintendo said they were experimenting with various art styles when they were chosen art style for Zelda U, and they certainly chosen art style that looks and fits best for new Zelda and Wii U, they didnt said "realistic graphic is mainstream let's go for mainstream", no, they said lets find art style that looks and fits best for new Zelda, and thats a good thing not bad thing.

Again, you didn't answer my question, you have some sort of problem with memory!?



Miyamotoo said:

So you again ignoring what I wrote about facts..

Maybe, but realistic graphics and darker graphics are not same thing. OoT, MM and TP had realistic graphics, but only MM and TP really had dark graphics.

Borderlands, Minecraft, Kingdom Hearts, Journey, No Man's Sky...tells us that gamers also want something difrent and not just realistic graphics.

Of Course its irrelevant what I want, but that doesn't mean that realistic Zelda will sell better than Zelda with Zelda U art style, and fact is that Zelda U art style looks beautiful. Nintendo said they were experimenting with various art styles when they were chosen art style for Zelda U, and they certainly chosen art style that looks and fits best for new Zelda and Wii U, they didnt said "realistic graphic is mainstream let's go for mainstream", no, they said lets find art style that looks and fits best for new Zelda, and thats a good thing not bad thing.

Again, you didn't answer my question, you have some sort of problem with memory!?

For every one of those stylized games, they are like 20 realistic ones. Look at the sales charts. Dark styles outsell cartoons, simple as that.

And handicapping one of their greatest franchises by restricting its appeal is a bad thing.

Listening to fans like you is why Nintendo are in the worst state they've been in since they joined the console market. You are not helping them by encouraging their self-destructive habits.



curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

So you again ignoring what I wrote about facts..

Maybe, but realistic graphics and darker graphics are not same thing. OoT, MM and TP had realistic graphics, but only MM and TP really had dark graphics.

Borderlands, Minecraft, Kingdom Hearts, Journey, No Man's Sky...tells us that gamers also want something difrent and not just realistic graphics.

Of Course its irrelevant what I want, but that doesn't mean that realistic Zelda will sell better than Zelda with Zelda U art style, and fact is that Zelda U art style looks beautiful. Nintendo said they were experimenting with various art styles when they were chosen art style for Zelda U, and they certainly chosen art style that looks and fits best for new Zelda and Wii U, they didnt said "realistic graphic is mainstream let's go for mainstream", no, they said lets find art style that looks and fits best for new Zelda, and thats a good thing not bad thing.

Again, you didn't answer my question, you have some sort of problem with memory!?

For every one of those stylized games, they are like 20 realistic ones. Look at the sales charts. Dark styles outsell cartoons, simple as that.

Abd handicapping one of their greatest franchises by restricting its appeal is a bad thing.

Listening to fans like you is why Nintendo are in the worst state they've been in since they joined the console market. You are not helping them by encouraging their self-destructive habits.

Yes but those few cartoon games are popular, it doesn't meant that games like Borderlands, Minecraft, Kingdoms Hearts... would sell better if they are dark styles and cartoon.

No, I think making your game worse in same way just to be more appeal to users that actually don't like those games, I think making best game possible if far more important than that.

Well fans definitely didn't tell Nintendo to make those those terrible mistakes with Wii U, actually fans want more traditional console, but regardless games, fans asking for great game Nintendo is delevering them and fans are buying them, simple as that.



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Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

So you again ignoring what I wrote about facts..

Maybe, but realistic graphics and darker graphics are not same thing. OoT, MM and TP had realistic graphics, but only MM and TP really had dark graphics.

Borderlands, Minecraft, Kingdom Hearts, Journey, No Man's Sky...tells us that gamers also want something difrent and not just realistic graphics.

Of Course its irrelevant what I want, but that doesn't mean that realistic Zelda will sell better than Zelda with Zelda U art style, and fact is that Zelda U art style looks beautiful. Nintendo said they were experimenting with various art styles when they were chosen art style for Zelda U, and they certainly chosen art style that looks and fits best for new Zelda and Wii U, they didnt said "realistic graphic is mainstream let's go for mainstream", no, they said lets find art style that looks and fits best for new Zelda, and thats a good thing not bad thing.

Again, you didn't answer my question, you have some sort of problem with memory!?

For every one of those stylized games, they are like 20 realistic ones. Look at the sales charts. Dark styles outsell cartoons, simple as that.

Abd handicapping one of their greatest franchises by restricting its appeal is a bad thing.

Listening to fans like you is why Nintendo are in the worst state they've been in since they joined the console market. You are not helping them by encouraging their self-destructive habits.

Yes but those few cartoon games are popular, it doesn't meant that games like Borderlands, Minecraft, Kingdoms Hearts... would sell better if they are dark styles and cartoon.

No, I think making your game worse in same way just to be more appeal to users that actually don't like those games, I think making best game possible if far more important than that.

Well fans definitely didn't tell Nintendo to make those those terrible mistakes with Wii U, actually fans want more traditional console, but regardless games, fans asking for great game Nintendo is delevering them and fans are buying them, simple as that.

It would not be making Zelda "worse" to make it in a mainstream style that it has successfully pulled off before. Restricting its appeal with kiddy graphics would definitely be worse for the series and for Nintendo in the long run though. The longer they ignore the mainstream, the more their business will suffer. 



curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

So you again ignoring what I wrote about facts..

Maybe, but realistic graphics and darker graphics are not same thing. OoT, MM and TP had realistic graphics, but only MM and TP really had dark graphics.

Borderlands, Minecraft, Kingdom Hearts, Journey, No Man's Sky...tells us that gamers also want something difrent and not just realistic graphics.

Of Course its irrelevant what I want, but that doesn't mean that realistic Zelda will sell better than Zelda with Zelda U art style, and fact is that Zelda U art style looks beautiful. Nintendo said they were experimenting with various art styles when they were chosen art style for Zelda U, and they certainly chosen art style that looks and fits best for new Zelda and Wii U, they didnt said "realistic graphic is mainstream let's go for mainstream", no, they said lets find art style that looks and fits best for new Zelda, and thats a good thing not bad thing.

Again, you didn't answer my question, you have some sort of problem with memory!?

For every one of those stylized games, they are like 20 realistic ones. Look at the sales charts. Dark styles outsell cartoons, simple as that.

Abd handicapping one of their greatest franchises by restricting its appeal is a bad thing.

Listening to fans like you is why Nintendo are in the worst state they've been in since they joined the console market. You are not helping them by encouraging their self-destructive habits.

Yes but those few cartoon games are popular, it doesn't meant that games like Borderlands, Minecraft, Kingdoms Hearts... would sell better if they are dark styles and cartoon.

No, I think making your game worse in same way just to be more appeal to users that actually don't like those games, I think making best game possible if far more important than that.

Well fans definitely didn't tell Nintendo to make those those terrible mistakes with Wii U, actually fans want more traditional console, but regardless games, fans asking for great game Nintendo is delevering them and fans are buying them, simple as that.

It would not be making Zelda "worse" to make it in a mainstream style that it has successfully pulled off before. Restricting its appeal with kiddy graphics would definitely be worse for the series and for Nintendo in the long run though. The longer they ignore the mainstream, the more their business will suffer. 

I alredy wrote that and again you already forget it..

Nintendo said they were experimenting with various art styles when they were chosen art style for Zelda U, and they certainly chosen art style that looks and fits best for new Zelda and Wii U, they didnt said "realistic graphic is mainstream let's go for mainstream", no, they said lets find art style that looks and fits best for new Zelda, and thats a good thing not bad thing. 

They probably experimented with more realistic art style too, but didn't look good like Zelda U art style or Wii U hardware couldn't handle it.

Again you writing like art style pull success for OoT, MM and TP, and again totaly ignoring facts that I wrote to you (fact is that one of them is most critically acclaimed game of all time, and another was launch title on best selling Nintendo console ever, also fact is that MM with same art style is one of the worst selling 3D Zelda game and that WW sold better). And again, Zelda U isnt kiddy graphics, maybe we cans say that WW is kiddy graphics, but Zelda U is far more advanced and more appealing than WW.

Again you writing me things on that I already gave you answers, really why you are constantly doing that, can you pls answer me I really don't understand, you have some problem!?



Miyamotoo said:

I alredy wrote that and again you already forget it..

Nintendo said they were experimenting with various art styles when they were chosen art style for Zelda U, and they certainly chosen art style that looks and fits best for new Zelda and Wii U, they didnt said "realistic graphic is mainstream let's go for mainstream", no, they said lets find art style that looks and fits best for new Zelda, and thats a good thing not bad thing. 

They probably experimented with more realistic art style too, but didn't look good like Zelda U art style or Wii U hardware couldn't handle it.

Again you writing like art style pull success for OoT, MM and TP, and again totaly ignoring facts that I wrote to you (fact is that one of them is most critically acclaimed game of all time, and another was launch title on best selling Nintendo console ever, also fact is that MM with same art style is one of the worst selling 3D Zelda game and that WW sold better). And again, Zelda U isnt kiddy graphics, maybe we cans say that WW is kiddy graphics, but Zelda U is far more advanced and more appealing than WW.

Again you writing me things on that I already gave you answers, really why you are constantly doing that, can you pls answer me I really don't understand, you have some problem!?

Ask yourself this; if it were Sony's franchise, would they make it look like a cartoon? Of course not. And the sales show that Sony knows the games industry much, much better than Nintendo.

The success of the franchise is more important than your personal tastes.



curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

I alredy wrote that and again you already forget it..

Nintendo said they were experimenting with various art styles when they were chosen art style for Zelda U, and they certainly chosen art style that looks and fits best for new Zelda and Wii U, they didnt said "realistic graphic is mainstream let's go for mainstream", no, they said lets find art style that looks and fits best for new Zelda, and thats a good thing not bad thing. 

They probably experimented with more realistic art style too, but didn't look good like Zelda U art style or Wii U hardware couldn't handle it.

Again you writing like art style pull success for OoT, MM and TP, and again totaly ignoring facts that I wrote to you (fact is that one of them is most critically acclaimed game of all time, and another was launch title on best selling Nintendo console ever, also fact is that MM with same art style is one of the worst selling 3D Zelda game and that WW sold better). And again, Zelda U isnt kiddy graphics, maybe we cans say that WW is kiddy graphics, but Zelda U is far more advanced and more appealing than WW.

Again you writing me things on that I already gave you answers, really why you are constantly doing that, can you pls answer me I really don't understand, you have some problem!?

Ask yourself this; if it were Sony's franchise, would they make it look like a cartoon? Of course not. And the sales show that Sony knows the games industry much, much better than Nintendo.

The success of the franchise is more important than your personal tastes.

Well Sony and Nintendo are quite different, Sony always going for mainstream while Nintendo trying to do something different and unique. If we comparing Nintendo and Sony franchises ask yourself this, how many Sunny franchises are still relevant (or alive at all) from PS1 era, not many, how many Nintendo franchises are still relevant from N64 or before, basically almost every bigger Nintendo franchise is today still very revelent, great game and active beacuse of way Nintendo is hadling those franchises, same goes for Zelda franchise.

Agree, but that doesnt mean realistic graphics for Zelda.



Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

I alredy wrote that and again you already forget it..

Nintendo said they were experimenting with various art styles when they were chosen art style for Zelda U, and they certainly chosen art style that looks and fits best for new Zelda and Wii U, they didnt said "realistic graphic is mainstream let's go for mainstream", no, they said lets find art style that looks and fits best for new Zelda, and thats a good thing not bad thing. 

They probably experimented with more realistic art style too, but didn't look good like Zelda U art style or Wii U hardware couldn't handle it.

Again you writing like art style pull success for OoT, MM and TP, and again totaly ignoring facts that I wrote to you (fact is that one of them is most critically acclaimed game of all time, and another was launch title on best selling Nintendo console ever, also fact is that MM with same art style is one of the worst selling 3D Zelda game and that WW sold better). And again, Zelda U isnt kiddy graphics, maybe we cans say that WW is kiddy graphics, but Zelda U is far more advanced and more appealing than WW.

Again you writing me things on that I already gave you answers, really why you are constantly doing that, can you pls answer me I really don't understand, you have some problem!?

Ask yourself this; if it were Sony's franchise, would they make it look like a cartoon? Of course not. And the sales show that Sony knows the games industry much, much better than Nintendo.

The success of the franchise is more important than your personal tastes.

Well Sony and Nintendo are quite different, Sony always going for mainstream while Nintendo trying to do something different and unique. If we comparing Nintendo and Sony franchises ask yourself this, how many Sunny franchises are still relevant (or alive at all) from PS1 era, not many, how many Nintendo franchises are still relevant from N64 or before, basically almost every bigger Nintendo franchise is today still very revelent, great game and active beacuse of way Nintendo is hadling those franchises, same goes for Zelda franchise.

Agree, but that doesnt mean realistic graphics for Zelda.

I never advocated realistic graphics for Zelda. Like I said, darker graphics don't have to be photoreal. In fact, I'd say photoreal would be a bad idea. I say make it look like a HD evolution of the Twilight Princess style.