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Is that enough footage?

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curl-6 said:
zorg1000 said:

That doesn't make it a trend, if both were seeing consecutive downs than u would have a case but console has one down and while handheld currently has 2 downs it will likely be a tie in the end or such a small decrease that it's really not worth mentioning.

The last console Zelda is at 4m, Wii U currently has 5 games over 4m, Zelda U selling over 4m isn't out of the question if it remains exclusive but I personally see it being a dual release like Twilight Princess was which makes me believe it will without a doubt sell over 4m.

That's what a trend is, change over time. On both consoles and handhelds, Zelda's recent entries have sold less than they did back in 2006-2007.

If Zelda U does manage to outsell Skyward Sword, (which is certainly not impossible) it will still be a far cry from the popularity the series enjoyed with Ocarina, TP, or the original game.

 

Ok, and 2006-2007 was peak of the series with Twilight Princess being the best selling home title and Phantom Hourglass being the best selling portable title, as long as the series doesn't decline to numbers below the typical title than the series is still healthy so 4+ million for home and 3+ million for portable.



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zorg1000 said:
curl-6 said:

That's what a trend is, change over time. On both consoles and handhelds, Zelda's recent entries have sold less than they did back in 2006-2007.

If Zelda U does manage to outsell Skyward Sword, (which is certainly not impossible) it will still be a far cry from the popularity the series enjoyed with Ocarina, TP, or the original game.

Ok, and 2006-2007 was peak of the series with Twilight Princess being the best selling home title and Phantom Hourglass being the best selling portable title, as long as the series doesn't decline to numbers below the typical title than the series is still healthy so 4+ million for home and 3+ million for portable.

 A little over 3 or 4 million sounds about right, and that's fine, all I objected to was the claim that Zelda is still one of the "biggest" franchises out there.



curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

No is isn't, Ocarina of Time is. Both portable and handheld Zelda have dropped in sales hugely over the last decade.

And yes. Sales is the ultimate indicator of how "big" something is. Not the subjective, unquantifiable opinions of random people on the internet; actual real world success.

TP is first, but if you count OoT and OoT Remake, than its OoT. They dropped but now they are on rising again, so no series in decline like you wrote.

So you saying that Wii Fit, Wii Play, Wii Fit Plus, NSMB Wii are 3-4 times bigger games beacuse they sold 3-4 better than Last Of Us, game that won so many prizes and widely accepted as probably biggest/best game of previous gen!? Do you realise what you are writing!?

If you count TP on multiple platforms (Wii + GCN) it is only fair to compare Ocarina on multiple platforms. (N64 + 3DS) Whether you're counting across a single platform or several, Ocarina is the highest selling Zelda.

ALBW will not outsell Skyward Sword, and even if it outsells Spirit Tracks, it will still be on a massive net decline from the days of TP and PH. A small short term rise does not negate a long term decline.

"Biggest" can incorporate many criteria, but sales is the most important. If not that many people even play, it cannot be one of the generation's biggest, no matter how much critics or fans love it.

TP is cross platform game that was released in same time on two devices, so not exactly same thing when they released OoT Remake 13 years after original game on handheld.

I didnt said ALBW will sell better than SS because there is no so much sense to compare handheld Zelda game and home console Zelda game sales because home console Zelda games sales better. I said ALBW will out sell last Zelda handheld game (thats Spirit Tracs) and maybe even early as end of this year because ALBW passed 3m few months ago. And Zelda U will out sell SS, so again, series isn't in decline like you wrote.

Long term decline!? What are you talking about!? Only decline that we had was from TP to SS and from Phantom Hourglass to Spirit Tracks, and that was in one generation.

You didnt answer my question, So you saying that Wii Fit, Wii Play, Wii Fit Plus, NSMB Wii are 3-4 times "bigger" games beacuse they sold 3-4 better than Last Of Us, game that won so many prizes and widely accepted as probably biggest/best game of previous gen!?



curl-6 said:
zorg1000 said:
curl-6 said:

That's what a trend is, change over time. On both consoles and handhelds, Zelda's recent entries have sold less than they did back in 2006-2007.

If Zelda U does manage to outsell Skyward Sword, (which is certainly not impossible) it will still be a far cry from the popularity the series enjoyed with Ocarina, TP, or the original game.

Ok, and 2006-2007 was peak of the series with Twilight Princess being the best selling home title and Phantom Hourglass being the best selling portable title, as long as the series doesn't decline to numbers below the typical title than the series is still healthy so 4+ million for home and 3+ million for portable.

 A little over 3 or 4 million sounds about right, and that's fine, all I objected to was the claim that Zelda is still one of the "biggest" franchises out there.

You realise that one of the "biggest/best" franchise doesn't equaled most selling franchise!? If I wanted to say best selling I would say that, not "biggest/best".





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i think what Curl is trying to say is that Zelda isnt as big as some of the zealots on the site say it is. Now the average sales seem to be 4 mil which is nothing to cough at, but there are much bigger series, COD does more than that on a yearly basis, GTA? forget about it



oniyide said:
i think what Curl is trying to say is that Zelda isnt as big as some of the zealots on the site say it is. Now the average sales seem to be 4 mil which is nothing to cough at, but there are much bigger series, COD does more than that on a yearly basis, GTA? forget about it

Of Course there are bigger franchises than Zelda, I wrote Zelda is one of the "biggest/best" franchises not one with currently best sales.

Do you think that Last Of Us is a "big" game!? By his points, Last Of Us wasn't one of the "biggest" game of previous gen because wasn't one of the best selling games of that gen, and by his point Wii Play for instance was much "bigger" game because sold much better.





oniyide said:
i think what Curl is trying to say is that Zelda isnt as big as some of the zealots on the site say it is. Now the average sales seem to be 4 mil which is nothing to cough at, but there are much bigger series, COD does more than that on a yearly basis, GTA? forget about it

 

Zelda can be big, as TP showed us. Unfortunately, Aonuma is stubborn to not understand what fanbase wants. He is so obsessed with his cartoony Zelda.

As I said, as long as he is in charge, I don't have a lot of faith in the future.



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Pavolink said:
oniyide said:
i think what Curl is trying to say is that Zelda isnt as big as some of the zealots on the site say it is. Now the average sales seem to be 4 mil which is nothing to cough at, but there are much bigger series, COD does more than that on a yearly basis, GTA? forget about it

Zelda can be big, as TP showed us. Unfortunately, Aonuma is stubborn to not understand what fanbase wants. He is so obsessed with his cartoony Zelda.

As I said, as long as he is in charge, I don't have a lot of faith in the future.

This guy gets it.

Zelda can regain Ocarina/Twilight Princess numbers if Nintendo adapt to today's market instead of doing their own thing.



Miyamotoo said:

TP is cross platform game that was released in same time on two devices, so not exactly same thing when they released OoT Remake 13 years after original game on handheld.

I didnt said ALBW will sell better than SS because there is no so much sense to compare handheld Zelda game and home console Zelda game sales because home console Zelda games sales better. I said ALBW will out sell last Zelda handheld game (thats Spirit Tracs) and maybe even early as end of this year because ALBW passed 3m few months ago. And Zelda U will out sell SS, so again, series isn't in decline like you wrote.

Long term decline!? What are you talking about!? Only decline that we had was from TP to SS and from Phantom Hourglass to Spirit Tracks, and that was in one generation.

You didnt answer my question, So you saying that Wii Fit, Wii Play, Wii Fit Plus, NSMB Wii are 3-4 times "bigger" games beacuse they sold 3-4 better than Last Of Us, game that won so many prizes and widely accepted as probably biggest/best game of previous gen!?

Both games are on multiple platforms. Whether you measure their total, or on a single platform (TP Wii vs Ocarina 64) the game with the most copies in players hands in Ocarina.  But we are going off track; the point is, no, you do not have to compare to Twilight Princess for recent Zelda sales to look small; compared to Ocarina or the NES original, they're comparatively small also.

As I've said, things like cultural impact do play a part, as with TLOU, so putting a number like "3-4 times" to it serves little purpose, but sales are the final decider, as a game cannot be among the biggest of the generation if not many people even played it.

I get what you are saying, that to you Zelda will be one of the best/biggest games of this gen, and thats fine, but you need to realize that to the market at large, it will not be. It will be highly rated by critics and well liked by the small and shrinking band of Nintendo diehards, but most gamers will not even care about it.