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thismeintiel on 30 November 2015
Ariakon said:

Hi guys, I just joined a few minutes ago. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if MS edged out a slight win for BF, but I'm not certain how reliable this infoscout is. Yes, they analyze 100s of ks of shopping receipts, but if you look at the actual fine print on some of their articles, only a fraction of those may actually be towards the items they're talking about. 

Their analysis of 2014's Black Friday results, for example, references 180k receipts, but only 2k of those actually purchased games or consoles. 

I'll quote the article: "InfoScout panelists submitted 180k+ receipts over the course of Black Friday. Of the 180k receipts submitted, 2k receipts included a games-related purchase."

Good find.  And welcome to the site.

Roronaa_chan said:
Lol..now it's "top individual purchase". Which excludes any receipt that has a console and something else (game or controller). That + the lack of a proper report for the first time (they got it out quite quickly in the years where X1 had a clear win) just reinforces my belief that PS4 did win. If X1 had won, the report would be out yesterday.

Lol, someone should look into infoscouts background.  Maybe they are like Polygon, where MS gave them $750K+.  And we know MS asked for nothing in return. 



 

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OneKartVita on 30 November 2015
jason1637 said:
Well they said the gears bundle isi the top individual purchase console so this could mean that the gears bundle sold 10 units but uncharted bundle sold 8 and sw and cod bundle sold 6 so that would be 14 units. Being the #1 sold bundle doesn't mean anything.


Based on 2k receipts.  We might aswell do a poll on gaf and ask what they bought.  It'd be more accurate. 

 

Ps4 still #1. Any reason for the Wii U rise? 



Insidb on 30 November 2015

Infoscout's finding are very interesting, because several of their articles cite PS4 clearly winning at several stores and that significantly fewer people shopped at Target and Walmart this year: http://blog.infoscout.co/category/findings/

They essentially discredit their own data and their analyses disagree with other published data, so it might really come down to sample size. How do they find their audience? Let's put this all in perspective, as there were 150 million shoppers this BF, and 33% of them shopped online: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/30/holiday-sales-perfectly-average-so-far-analyst.html

That means their receipts represent 0.2% of all shoppers and 0.3% of brick and mortar shoppers, so there's a little wiggle room in those numbers.



thismeintiel on 30 November 2015
Insidb said:
Infoscout's finding are very interesting, because several of their articles cite PS4 clearly winning at several stores and that significantly fewer people shopped at Target and Walmart this year: http://blog.infoscout.co/category/findings/

They essentially discredit their own data and their analyses disagree with other published data, so it might really come down to sample size. How do they find their audience? Let's put this all in perspective, as there were 150 million shoppers this BF, and 33% of them shopped online: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/30/holiday-sales-perfectly-average-so-far-analyst.html

That means their receipts represent 0.2% of all shoppers and 0.3% of brick and mortar shoppers, so there's a little wiggle room in those numbers.

I think it would be pretty funny if Target and/or Walmart came out and said that this year was their best year.  That would completely debunk any of their info.



 

jonhalo on 30 November 2015
thismeintiel said:
Ariakon said:

Hi guys, I just joined a few minutes ago. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if MS edged out a slight win for BF, but I'm not certain how reliable this infoscout is. Yes, they analyze 100s of ks of shopping receipts, but if you look at the actual fine print on some of their articles, only a fraction of those may actually be towards the items they're talking about. 

Their analysis of 2014's Black Friday results, for example, references 180k receipts, but only 2k of those actually purchased games or consoles. 

I'll quote the article: "InfoScout panelists submitted 180k+ receipts over the course of Black Friday. Of the 180k receipts submitted, 2k receipts included a games-related purchase."

Good find.  And welcome to the site.

Roronaa_chan said:
Lol..now it's "top individual purchase". Which excludes any receipt that has a console and something else (game or controller). That + the lack of a proper report for the first time (they got it out quite quickly in the years where X1 had a clear win) just reinforces my belief that PS4 did win. If X1 had won, the report would be out yesterday.

Lol, someone should look into infoscouts background.  Maybe they are like Polygon, where MS gave them $750K+.  And we know MS asked for nothing in return. 

  

 

theire 2013 and 2014 report

2013 xbox one won bf by a mile because of ps4 shortages, but lost overall november npd due to higher ps4 preoder and launch sales...
2014 xbox one won bf and total november npd by 400k



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DonFerrari on 30 November 2015
Dark_Feanor said:
DonFerrari said:

Information that can affect shares can't be internal in a way that can be considered unlawful advantage... so unless you have one ounce of evidence to support that, please provide or stop the FUD.

Well, well, well. I guess you have no idea how the stock market work.

Every body has internal reports. Anyone can make one and try to make any buy or sell decision based on market surveys.

You can hire a bunch of people and go store to store checking hardware filing reports on their retail stock and sell it for the best bid.

You can also make those numbers public, like VGChartz does. That is basicaly what NPD does.

Well, I have sufficient knowledge to now that internal data can't be selectively disclossed because that is priviledige information. If you work for MS and get early report on a Black Friday PR or earnings report and buy/sell shares based on it you are commiting a crime...

But please show these internal reports you have.



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jason1637 on 30 November 2015
OneKartVita said:
jason1637 said:
Well they said the gears bundle isi the top individual purchase console so this could mean that the gears bundle sold 10 units but uncharted bundle sold 8 and sw and cod bundle sold 6 so that would be 14 units. Being the #1 sold bundle doesn't mean anything.


Based on 2k receipts.  We might aswell do a poll on gaf and ask what they bought.  It'd be more accurate. 

 

Ps4 still #1. Any reason for the Wii U rise? 

The price is now $250



binary solo on 30 November 2015
OneKartVita said:
jason1637 said:
Well they said the gears bundle isi the top individual purchase console so this could mean that the gears bundle sold 10 units but uncharted bundle sold 8 and sw and cod bundle sold 6 so that would be 14 units. Being the #1 sold bundle doesn't mean anything.


Based on 2k receipts.  We might aswell do a poll on gaf and ask what they bought.  It'd be more accurate. 

 

Ps4 still #1. Any reason for the Wii U rise? 

$50 price cut. Not sure if temporary or permanent.

Imagine if millions of Wii owners were just patiently waiting for Wii U to drop to the Wii's launch price, and we suddenly see WIi U start to sell Wii levels, overtake Xb one within 6 months and start chasing down PS4. Now that would be an amazing turn around. I wonder what that would do to NX plans, if indeed NX is a replacement for WiiU.

With Infoscout, unless onbe of the big3 come out with their own internal tracking, the only data source that can corroborate or contradict infoscout is VGC. NPD doesn't report BF sales, so they aren't comparable. It is possible for one console to win BF and another to win November. Whoever wins BF almost certainly wins BF week. So the VGC numbers for BF week are the only comparative data from an independant source. I think unless internal company data contradicts Infoscout, Sony and MS are likely to just let Infoscout do the talking and save their PR for NPD, which is more important in the grand scheme of things.



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Nuvendil on 30 November 2015

The Wii U Strikes Back. Better late than never.

Hopefully Nintendo takes note and very quickly makes $250 the standard price across the board for Wii U. They could have a quite a good showing this Holiday with that. Still, from not charting to mid 60s to 3 over the span of a weekend. That's... Dang.



Ariakon on 30 November 2015
jonhalo said:
thismeintiel said:
Ariakon said:

Hi guys, I just joined a few minutes ago. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if MS edged out a slight win for BF, but I'm not certain how reliable this infoscout is. Yes, they analyze 100s of ks of shopping receipts, but if you look at the actual fine print on some of their articles, only a fraction of those may actually be towards the items they're talking about. 

Their analysis of 2014's Black Friday results, for example, references 180k receipts, but only 2k of those actually purchased games or consoles. 

I'll quote the article: "InfoScout panelists submitted 180k+ receipts over the course of Black Friday. Of the 180k receipts submitted, 2k receipts included a games-related purchase."

Good find.  And welcome to the site.

Roronaa_chan said:
Lol..now it's "top individual purchase". Which excludes any receipt that has a console and something else (game or controller). That + the lack of a proper report for the first time (they got it out quite quickly in the years where X1 had a clear win) just reinforces my belief that PS4 did win. If X1 had won, the report would be out yesterday.

Lol, someone should look into infoscouts background.  Maybe they are like Polygon, where MS gave them $750K+.  And we know MS asked for nothing in return. 

 

theire 2013 and 2014 report

2013 xbox one won bf by a mile because of ps4 shortages, but lost overall november npd due to higher ps4 preoder and launch sales...
2014 xbox one won bf and total november npd by 400k


True, they predicted the winner, but both of those black Fridays were fairly obvious (i.e. anecdotal evidence said the same thing) and we have no idea how accurate their actual numbers were. 

I'm not saying they're wrong, that Gears bundle at Target was likely very tempting, but I'm not sure how accurate their numbers actually are. (Some) People seem to misread their analysis of 250,000 receipts as if every one of those purchases was going towards a game. But going by their report last year, only 2,000 of the 180,000 submitted receipts were towards games-related products. There is quite a discrepancy in the accuracy of a survey conducted between 250k consumers and 2 to 5k. 

And thanks for the greetings, everyone.