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Teeqoz said:
Nautilus said:

But its already part of our culture.And he had a different perspective and moral than we have now.We are, after all, talking about a difference of 500 years.Good people in that age though that black people were animals, because their religion said to them that they had no soul, and so killing them wasnt wrong.And people believed it because they thought it was right, that what their religion said was right.It was ignorance in most cases, not real evil.It isnt completely fair to judge them by our standards, when they had a completely different view about the world.We actually have a better society today because of them, because of their mistakes, and we learned about them.

Well, i think in the end it really depends on people, if they want to give more importance to the good side of Colombo or its bad side, but in the end for me renaming it(the day) is just foolish.Most people just celebrate the day and its meaning, not the person, and renaming it would just cause more harm than good.(confusing people and all)


I think there can be a balance. Besides, if you were to ask your average American what they think of when they hear Christoffer Columbus, I doubt murder, mutilation etc. are the first things they'll say. The good side of Chirstoffer Columbus is given vastly more importance, so we aren't in any immediate danger of the bad side getting "overrepresented".

That i agree with you.But thats more a problem of lack of education than anything else.So the better solution here would be to better inform society through better education in schools, or even through panflets in the Columbus day, I dont know.I just find silly wanting to change the name after all those years, specially since the person doing that is more worried of having a better image of being political correct than anything else.



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SubiyaCryolite said:
MikeRox said:

I can sympathise with the decision, however attempting to erase history may also lead to unintended consequences.

I don't generally really like any celebration of a particular demographic simply because it is exclusive thing to do and while it may seem empowering, can also swing the other way and be dividing. It's not something that will ultimately lead to more inclusion and this seems to be becoming an increasing problem for the US now through what is becoming a seeping resentment.


Erase history? How?


Regardless of what he did, he was still the person who "kick started things" in America. Columbus is a key figure in the United State's history regardless of what he has done. Whether the means are agreed with is arbitary. Deciding in the 21st century that actually, the bloke did some things we don't like, therefore we refuse to acknowledge him" is actually an attempt to erase history (we no longer want to think bad people ever contributed anything, again, see Hitler). Such stances merely set us up to repeat the past.

By that, I mean, we're brushing figures under the carpet, because we no longer much like how they conducted themselves. However at the time (and for centuries after) it was perfectly acceptable behaviour. It is both attempting to erase history (which you can't escape, as others have said, some of the world's greatest innovations have come from awful situations) and also in the choosing of "indigenous People's day" a cynical attempt for people to try and rid themselves of guilt for what their ancestors have done. It's not productive.



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Wow, this is so dumb. All these politically correct people are getting on my nerves.



spurgeonryan said:
Arlo said:
He was a purely terrible person. I don't know what it should be changed to, but I say change it. I'm not celebrating such a person simply because that's the way we're used to doing it and it's too hard to get used to change.



Or at least not make it such a big holiday that some businesses and schools have the day off.

Someone said leif Erickson, but there is even evidence that Marco Polo, Chinese, and even Ancient Phoenicians and Egyptians could have visited as well. Columbus was the one that made it popular. So changing it would not make sense. Just do not make it such a big holiday. Also that new name is a mouthful.

 

HEy kids! You have Indigenous Peoples day off from School! I even bought you an indigenous peoples t-shirt and Indigenous peoples present. Yay!

The point is that he's still honored and celebrated through the use of his name.  That's why I say just change the name.  Discovery Day or something, I don't know.  Just not that guy.



That's kind of an awkward name for a Holiday. I feel like they could have settled on something that rolled off the tongue a bit more easily.

People who oppose this are funny. This isn't a man who ought to be idolized. You wouldn't celebrate Stalin Day or Bin Laden Day just for the sake of tradition.



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Good,you can't discover a place that is already inhabited anyway.Columbus was a thief, a liar, committed genocide,the catalyst of slavery, a rapist and a murderer.He was one of the original thugs that nearly obliterated most of my ancestors,He was the original terrorists as was every white settler that claim they discovered my people's homeland.



MikeRox said:

Regardless of what he did, he was still the person who "kick started things" in America. Columbus is a key figure in the United State's history regardless of what he has done. Whether the means are agreed with is arbitary. Deciding in the 21st century that actually, the bloke did some things we don't like, therefore we refuse to acknowledge him" is actually an attempt to erase history (we no longer want to think bad people ever contributed anything, again, see Hitler). Such stances merely set us up to repeat the past.

By that, I mean, we're brushing figures under the carpet, because we no longer much like how they conducted themselves. However at the time (and for centuries after) it was perfectly acceptable behaviour. It is both attempting to erase history (which you can't escape, as others have said, some of the world's greatest innovations have come from awful situations) and also in the choosing of "indigenous People's day" a cynical attempt for people to try and rid themselves of guilt for what their ancestors have done. It's not productive.

We don't have holidays for countless people that contributed to aspects of society. No one argues we are trying to erase them from history.

Christopher Columbus impact on world history is undeniable and he should be taught in school.  The columbian exchange left a massive impact both ways, in culture, food, wildlife, and people.  I am all for people knowing more history and would love history initiatives so people had more complex understanding of events and people.  I simply don't think of any reason to venerate Columbus. 



Remove Columbus.



Augen said:
Luke888 said:
I will never get it: why do you Celebrate Columbus ? he only arrived in the Caribbean/some other island while Amerigo Vespucci actually reached the American mainland (probably South America but it's still thanks to him if European Empires realized that there was A HUGE ammount of unclaimed territory) in the end, it's thanks to him if America is called America...

 

After strong lobbying from the Knights of Columbus, a Catholic service organization consisting largely of Italian Americans, President Franklin D. Roosevelt proclaimed Oct. 12, 1937, as the first Columbus Day and “directed that flags be displayed on all government buildings on that date,” according to a front page item in the Los Angeles Times that September.

“Each recurrence of Columbus Day brings to all of us a greater appreciation of the heritage we have received as a result of the faith and courage and fortitude of the Genoese navigator and his brave companions,” Roosevelt said to mark the occasion the next year. 

Congress passed the Monday Holiday Law in 1968, establishing the three-day weekend for some federal holidays and adding Columbus Day as an official public holiday. By then, 45 states were already observing it.

Since then, efforts to eliminate or rename the Columbus Day holiday in various states and cities have met strong resistance from Italian Americans, who have said Columbus is an important figure in their heritage and calling such efforts “anti-Italian American.”

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People use to think of Columbus as this brave explorer that brought "civilization" to the Americas. Of course, we don't see things from such a Euro centric view these days and actually concede points like the natives lives and culture having value.  


So what ? Amerigo was Italian aswell and the italian immigrants that went to live in the US in the XIX-XX° century were so poor that they were hardly acculturated, that's one of the main reasons why they formed criminal organizations instead of working normally... Imho to correct them while still celebrating some sort of rappresentative from Italy (even if they come from very different bloodlines :v) is the best solution possible...



spurgeonryan said:
Arlo said:
He was a purely terrible person. I don't know what it should be changed to, but I say change it. I'm not celebrating such a person simply because that's the way we're used to doing it and it's too hard to get used to change.



Or at least not make it such a big holiday that some businesses and schools have the day off.

Someone said leif Erickson, but there is even evidence that Marco Polo, Chinese, and even Ancient Phoenicians and Egyptians could have visited as well. Columbus was the one that made it popular. So changing it would not make sense. Just do not make it such a big holiday. Also that new name is a mouthful.

 

HEy kids! You have Indigenous Peoples day off from School! I even bought you an indigenous peoples t-shirt and Indigenous peoples present. Yay!

marco polo and the chinese would have been after leif, and there isnt enough evidence for ancient travellers

and well vikings are fuckn kewl, a nice feast, drinking met from horns.