Even when platina and xander are the worst looking lurkes, that doesn´t mean the rest of the lurkers should stay quiet, come on people say something, this is getting boring, zero and prof already stop arguing with each other so we need more conversations.

But Xander is new as well and he is just as quiet as platina or even more so why him but no platina? to me both of them should be suspected, not voted yet because like I said we should give them a chance to talk

Hey I'm back from work.
Platina's post about game setup doesn't tell me much. It's already been written in the thread by several people.
ALso, it's not the first time I've seen newb players say they've skimmed my arguments with people.
Which is really annoying because I put a lot of effort into scumhunting and then people feel crushed by a wall of text.
I would venture that apart from you and me who were directly involved, probably most players didn't read everything.

no offense to zero, but I don't think he would know to do something like that.

Just because something looks like a mafia could do it, doesn't mean they did it.

For instance, most of my arguing with zero, I felt like he was being tricky. However, I have to remember that zero, while having played a bunch of games, doesn't know the meta enough to attempt things like that. That's more something a player like final-fan, mario, trucks, hatmoza, etc, would do (you and me included :D)

Zero I have said numerous times how I feel about platina and I have shared my theory on the mafia vet, so I think my opinion on the matter is very clear. Still what he said in the post you are talking about has been said already by others. Really the only reason to suspect him so far is for lurking.

Look, I don't trust spurge either. But miller is a tough role to counterclaim.
This is the meta:
A miller exists in order to give the antitown some leeway against the cop. The cop can be a very overpowered role in the right hands, and sometimes can be just downright lucky.
However, it is almost a necessity that for there to be a miller, there has to also be a cop, though there has sometimes been games with a miller and no cop. however, having a miller, and a role cop and no actual cop, is just bizarre.

Let's say, that for the sake of importance, the cop should claim tomorrow.

If the cop actually exists, that will help confim spurge's role, and without the counterclaim, be pretty undeniable.

Exactly. I just need to know that you're telling the truth. It would be a lot easier for me to listen to your points under the impression that you are just scumhunting, than trying to spin evidence, which is what you seemed like you were doing.

If he can actually shield himself, I at least, will believe him. To me, that's enough...because the alternative is lynching a possible bodyguard :-0

To extrapolate a bit,
In games where there has been an sk duo (which I'm not entirely sure I believe anymore), there is usually some type of helper role, but it's very rare for them to be able to
1) use the same power more than once
2) use the same power on the same person two nights in a row
3) use powers on themselves
4) target himself AND kill at the same time

Basically, if I actually see him do that, it will render the potentiality of him being sk non-existent (to me), though once I flip, it will confirm to town as well.
And to be quite frank, if I were mafia on his team, I would've told him to shut up already. He's drawn way too much attention to himself to be mafia.

All mafia games are complex. We are lucky that it isn't as complex as it could've been, what with that redirector role dead. That would have been...real bad.

Also, I don't think the setup is that cray. It's pretty standard, and yeah I'm sorry you don't like it, but miller without a cop would be very weird.