Yeah but that's the problem.  The Xbox One is now what it should have been at launch:  A weaker, cheaper PS4 with a lot of fans ready to upgrade.  Now the fans have chose PS4, the PS4 has all of the momentum, and soon the $350 X1 will be fighting a $300 PS4.

I 100% agree.  People play up brand loyalty WAYYYY too much.  At the end of the day most people do revaluate every generation.  There are almost no free sales for MS or Sony.

Price and PR were there problems. Most people didn't see the need for a Kinect, and most people still seemed to believe the Xbox One could not play used games and needed an always online connection to work.

They've fixed pretty much every issue the console had, and hired new people to run the division, but you don't recover from something like that so easily or quickly.

Its no longer considered a problem because that is the norm in the digital only future.

Apparently those of us in the USA are confused as to what is "cool" this gen, since the sales between the 2 consoles are pretty damn close. USA is X1's only saving grace right now.

Except that was mostly due the US, which seems to have the least loyal consumers for consoles.  However, everywhere else, without any mistakes and large price discrepancy on Sony's part, most would have chosen the PS4.  EU and ROW largely remained loyal to Sony, even with the huge mistakes of the PS3.  No other company would have (or have) survived a PS3, let alone made it go on to sell ~90M.

Eh, wait til a $299 PS4 rolls around.  Then, you'll see a clear(er) winner in the US.

PS4 is the only one that i own, i was just mostly meaning the rest of the country.

It doesn't matter you know not all gamers hold grudges over some past PR and failed policies. Some will look at what the Xbox has to offer today and will just appreciate what it is. A lot of my friends have a PS4 but a lot of them also like games on Xbox. No matter what happened in 2013 it won't stop them from doing what they like and it's enjoying games.

I think the downfall of Xbox started when they decided to cut into new AAA games and invest more in indies and Arcade. Sony did great and got momentum. Then came the reveal of the Xbox and everything went to sh*t. Add the reveal with the last years of 360 and the bad PR that went with it you've got a disaster like what happened. I think it'll only get better for Xbox from now on. People just need to understand that it doesn't matter if they don't outsell Playstation... they need to grow and build their portfolio... that's what they are doing. 2013 is long gone imo.

I never brought up the PR stuff from 2013 because I don't think people truly care about that anymore.  People look at two options and see one console that is 100% stronger, for 15% more money.  Easy choice.