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AlfredoTurkey said:
I don't think movies have escaped the wrath either. It' usually called double/triple dipping and frowned upon.

The double dip complaints are directed more towards the different editions on the same format, director's cut, extended edition, superbit collection, mastered in 4k. Which ironically gamers don't have any problem with, namely the goty editions with extras and included dlc.

I've replaced more than 50 of my DVDs with blu-ray over the years. The extra detail and clarity is well worth the price to me.

Btw funny how nobody complaints lots of movies are 'remastered' on digital services and sold for near full price (at a much lower quality) Yet when last gens disc based games get a remastered digital release its no good.


There are some differences of course.

35mm film is far superior than what dvd can show, remastering on blu-ray finally gives you the version as was shown in cinemas.
Games were made with the target resolution in mind, so while it looks better in HD, you don't get a lot more detail.

Which is probably why simple remasters are considered lazy and remakes applauded.
However with movies, altering the source material is a big no no. A slight color timing correction between lotr normal and extended edition had the fans up in arms. And the few changes to Star Wars on blu-ray are universally hated.

While altering the picture is taboo, upgrading the sound to 5.1 or 7.1 is usually appreciated for old movies.
For games, do they touch up the sound? Nobody ever speaks of sound quality in games :/


Anyway the root of the problem is probably this.
Any game anyone is working on that you're not interested in, is by definition bad. Since that means they're not working on something for you.



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I don't think there's bias agaist all remasters though. If it's a beloved old classic most people will jump at the opportunity to get it again and even pay full price happily. TLOZ Ocarina of time/Majoras Mask 3ds are good examples for that.

I think it's the remasters of one year old games like TLOU and Tomb Raider, both good games that people felt didn't really need a remaster yet, that probably feel like cash grabs. It feels like a devaluing of their original purchase, in line with Game of the Year editions, to them. What's the perk of being an early adopter if you're inherently paying more money for the inferior version of a product? Especially if the superior product rolls around within the next year? Of course they will want to play this superior version too, but full price for a game that they've just recently played is a steep asking price.

I think if there's not enough time spent between the original release and the remaster people tend to view it more negatively.



Nem said:
games = 60$/€ +

movies = 15-20$/€

Totally different purchase decision. The more you pay, the more value you must see to justify the investment.


Its often times 40$ for a remaster and videogames in general are more expensive they have more value, replayability and gaming hours



SvennoJ said:
AlfredoTurkey said:
I don't think movies have escaped the wrath either. It' usually called double/triple dipping and frowned upon.

The double dip complaints are directed more towards the different editions on the same format, director's cut, extended edition, superbit collection, mastered in 4k. Which ironically gamers don't have any problem with, namely the goty editions with extras and included dlc.

I've replaced more than 50 of my DVDs with blu-ray over the years. The extra detail and clarity is well worth the price to me.

Btw funny how nobody complaints lots of movies are 'remastered' on digital services and sold for near full price (at a much lower quality) Yet when last gens disc based games get a remastered digital release its no good.


There are some differences of course.

35mm film is far superior than what dvd can show, remastering on blu-ray finally gives you the version as was shown in cinemas.
Games were made with the target resolution in mind, so while it looks better in HD, you don't get a lot more detail.


Which is probably why simple remasters are considered lazy and remakes applauded.
However with movies, altering the source material is a big no no. A slight color timing correction between lotr normal and extended edition had the fans up in arms. And the few changes to Star Wars on blu-ray are universally hated.

While altering the picture is taboo, upgrading the sound to 5.1 or 7.1 is usually appreciated for old movies.
For games, do they touch up the sound? Nobody ever speaks of sound quality in games :/


Anyway the root of the problem is probably this.
Any game anyone is working on that you're not interested in, is by definition bad. Since that means they're not working on something for you.

Yeah but 60 frames? also a lot of the older console run their games in 480i like the ps2 so a remastered game from that era is rendered in progressive scan which makes it a huge difference 



I'm fine with remasters on old games, but if it is just 3-4 years back from PS3 or X360, then it shouldn't be remastered soon. Especially both are already in HD and the pricing is also needed to be considered.



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Nem said:
games = 60$/€ +

movies = 15-20$/€

Totally different purchase decision. The more you pay, the more value you must see to justify the investment.


Games are $60 as they usually take longer to make than a movie and provide FAR more content. So it doesn't really affect the argument, it's all about re-releasing for the original price with improvements. Movies get away with it alot, with unrated versions, directors cuts etc. I can bet you the dev time for a remaster of a game is a lot longer than a movie. 



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But we don't really see remasters of recent movies whilst we see remasters of games that are only a year old.



    

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Part of it may have to do that first home videos were major downgrade from source material. The aspect ratio and video quality left a lot to be desired, but hey I could watch Ghostbusters when ever I wanted on the TV with a VCR. Blu Ray is the first medium that preserves source material so you get the experience as intended without compromise, especially if you have a huge TV and nice sound system.



As long as a video game didn't just come out, I'm fine with a remaster. The reason why not many people care about movies is because for movies, they pretty much only do movies that are at least 10 years old and a lot of the time, they're a lot older. Video games have been doing remasters of games that are just barely one year old, like The Last of Us.



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Nymeria said:
Part of it may have to do that first home videos were major downgrade from source material. The aspect ratio and video quality left a lot to be desired, but hey I could watch Ghostbusters when ever I wanted on the TV with a VCR. Blu Ray is the first medium that preserves source material so you get the experience as intended without compromise, especially if you have a huge TV and nice sound system.


Same story with games because they used to run on progressive scan