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What if the NX is just a traditional handheld?

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Miyamotoo said:
setsunatenshi said:
Miyamotoo said:
setsunatenshi said:
Miyamotoo said:
setsunatenshi said:
Nintendo fans better hope it's a handheld (and I'm confident it really is).
if they decide to pull the plug on the wii u after 3 years... it will be a bloodbath

How so?

Erm... Cutting their own generation in half basically showing the middle finger to the only people that still care for them, their fanbase. Then releasing new hardware in mid cycle during an extremely successful ps4 which will be probably receiving its first price cut and all the big hitter titles that will obviously make and even starker contrast to a out of nowhere home console carrying the bad taste of the wii u. Then either the console is merely on par with the ps4, in which case it will be criticized for being too weak. More powerful than the ps4 which would make it very very expensive and at best get the same 3rd party games the ps4 will get, which will make people wonder, why pay more when a cheaper and more established console plays the same games in a much bigger userbase.

3rd option they go for cheaper hardware still less powerful than the ps4, in which case everyone will ask, why not just stick with the wii u and give it a normal controller.

Enough reasons? I could go on

Nintendo consoles usually have lifespan of around 5 years, if NX will release next year, it would be 4 year of Wii U, just one year less than usual Nintendo console and thats not big deal, we saw something similar with original Xbox, and we all know for Xbox 360 success.

Nintendo probably will not compete directly with PS4/Xbox One, they are probably doing again something similar like Wii, affordable console (cheaper than PS4/XboxOne, probably around $250) with new concept of playing (maybe hybrid device).


They are not competing with the x1 and ps4? So they are competing with who then? Ford and Audi? Coke and Pepsi? Who are these mystical creatures that will buy a nintendo home console that don't by the time own a ps4 or x1? Why would any current nintendo fan buy again an underpowered console that would be decimated yet again just like their previous wii u? Hybrid device for 250$? Lol... The 3ds when it came out it costed 250$. You're imagining nintendo can afford to give you a home console and handheld for the price they sold their previous handheld for... Sure... Ok then...

Like I wrote, Wii didn't directly competing with PS3/Xbox 360, PS3 vs Xbox 360 competitions was very strong and head to head competition for hardcore gamers (there is reason why called them twins), Wii was targeting everyone from 5-99.

Why would Nintendo fan buy again underpowered console!? Because they love Nintendo games, most of Wii U owners are satisfied with Nintendo suport. And Nintendo clearly dont count only on big Nintendo fans, they next hardware will certainly be more attractive console than Wii U (Nintendo completely failed with Wii U in more different ways).

Yes, Hybrid device for around $250, why not!? 3DS $250 launch price does not indicate anything, you forgetting we had previous home console at same price.

Nintendo said they preparing hardware with new concept of playing and they indicate they want affordable price and that they not going for most powerful console on market.


Nintendo fans are satisfied with wii u support? Is that why 3 years into the console life they are coming with with this ridiculous amount of rumors/posts based on nothing (the hybrid theory) regarding the next console? Let's be honest at least ok?

 

The wii u sucks in hardware and support, especially 3rd party. Nintendo is a fantastic software maker and a terrible hardware maker (my oppinion, i could defend it) so I don't think they would be stupid enough not to realize they would be shooting themselves on the foot by trying to pull another wii. How about trying another Snes instead? Wouldn't that be better?



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setsunatenshi said:


Nintendo fans are satisfied with wii u support? Is that why 3 years into the console life they are coming with with this ridiculous amount of rumors/posts based on nothing (the hybrid theory) regarding the next console? Let's be honest at least ok?

 

The wii u sucks in hardware and support, especially 3rd party. Nintendo is a fantastic software maker and a terrible hardware maker (my oppinion, i could defend it) so I don't think they would be stupid enough not to realize they would be shooting themselves on the foot by trying to pull another wii. How about trying another Snes instead? Wouldn't that be better?

As a Nintendo fan, but mostly as a person with an unique opinion, no, I'm not happy with my Wii U and is a enormus dissapointment.



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zorg1000 said:
setsunatenshi said:

Erm... Cutting their own generation in half basically showing the middle finger to the only people that still care for them, their fanbase. Then releasing new hardware in mid cycle during an extremely successful ps4 which will be probably receiving its first price cut and all the big hitter titles that will obviously make and even starker contrast to a out of nowhere home console carrying the bad taste of the wii u. Then either the console is merely on par with the ps4, in which case it will be criticized for being too weak. More powerful than the ps4 which would make it very very expensive and at best get the same 3rd party games the ps4 will get, which will make people wonder, why pay more when a cheaper and more established console plays the same games in a much bigger userbase.

3rd option they go for cheaper hardware still less powerful than the ps4, in which case everyone will ask, why not just stick with the wii u and give it a normal controller.

Enough reasons? I could go on

A 2016 release would give Wii U 4 years, not 3. It's not likely trying to compete directly with PS4 so that consoles success would really have little to no bearing on how successful a Nintendo console would do. I agree with u on option 1 & 2, no need to make it as powerful or more powerful than PS4.

I think option 3 is what they will and should go for along with a unified platform where all or most games are compatible between the console and handheld. The reason why not to simply stick with Wii U is because it's expensive due to the outdated components and they can't support 2 distinct platforms at once, especially since the 3DS successor will take more time/resources than 3DS so how are they supposed to give adequate support to Wii U at the same time?

I say release a handheld and console with the same architecture, operating system, online infrastructure, account system, rewards program, that share a library that has allows for cross-buy/play/save. Have the console be a slight boost over Wii U, similar to the jump from GameCube to Wii, basically faster CPU and more RAM, with the handheld version being a device that can run the same games at a lower resolution.

Of course it's trying to compete with the x1 and ps4. If not, then why don't they release their games on ps4, x1, pc, etc? Obviously because they see those platforms as competition in thevideogame space.

Do i need to explain why this idea of a hybrid console is absolutely pathetic? I explained it before quite in detail in another thread and it's quite tiring making a long response from a cellphone in an airport lol

Basically you would be stuck with neither a good console nor cheap handheld. If you want to play your console games on a handheld there's something you should check. Ps4+ps vita. See if it makes sense to think about hybrid again



setsunatenshi said:
Miyamotoo said:
setsunatenshi said:
Miyamotoo said:
setsunatenshi said:
Miyamotoo said:
setsunatenshi said:
Nintendo fans better hope it's a handheld (and I'm confident it really is).
if they decide to pull the plug on the wii u after 3 years... it will be a bloodbath

How so?

Erm... Cutting their own generation in half basically showing the middle finger to the only people that still care for them, their fanbase. Then releasing new hardware in mid cycle during an extremely successful ps4 which will be probably receiving its first price cut and all the big hitter titles that will obviously make and even starker contrast to a out of nowhere home console carrying the bad taste of the wii u. Then either the console is merely on par with the ps4, in which case it will be criticized for being too weak. More powerful than the ps4 which would make it very very expensive and at best get the same 3rd party games the ps4 will get, which will make people wonder, why pay more when a cheaper and more established console plays the same games in a much bigger userbase.

3rd option they go for cheaper hardware still less powerful than the ps4, in which case everyone will ask, why not just stick with the wii u and give it a normal controller.

Enough reasons? I could go on

Nintendo consoles usually have lifespan of around 5 years, if NX will release next year, it would be 4 year of Wii U, just one year less than usual Nintendo console and thats not big deal, we saw something similar with original Xbox, and we all know for Xbox 360 success.

Nintendo probably will not compete directly with PS4/Xbox One, they are probably doing again something similar like Wii, affordable console (cheaper than PS4/XboxOne, probably around $250) with new concept of playing (maybe hybrid device).


They are not competing with the x1 and ps4? So they are competing with who then? Ford and Audi? Coke and Pepsi? Who are these mystical creatures that will buy a nintendo home console that don't by the time own a ps4 or x1? Why would any current nintendo fan buy again an underpowered console that would be decimated yet again just like their previous wii u? Hybrid device for 250$? Lol... The 3ds when it came out it costed 250$. You're imagining nintendo can afford to give you a home console and handheld for the price they sold their previous handheld for... Sure... Ok then...

Like I wrote, Wii didn't directly competing with PS3/Xbox 360, PS3 vs Xbox 360 competitions was very strong and head to head competition for hardcore gamers (there is reason why called them twins), Wii was targeting everyone from 5-99.

Why would Nintendo fan buy again underpowered console!? Because they love Nintendo games, most of Wii U owners are satisfied with Nintendo suport. And Nintendo clearly dont count only on big Nintendo fans, they next hardware will certainly be more attractive console than Wii U (Nintendo completely failed with Wii U in more different ways).

Yes, Hybrid device for around $250, why not!? 3DS $250 launch price does not indicate anything, you forgetting we had previous home console at same price.

Nintendo said they preparing hardware with new concept of playing and they indicate they want affordable price and that they not going for most powerful console on market.


Nintendo fans are satisfied with wii u support? Is that why 3 years into the console life they are coming with with this ridiculous amount of rumors/posts based on nothing (the hybrid theory) regarding the next console? Let's be honest at least ok?

 

The wii u sucks in hardware and support, especially 3rd party. Nintendo is a fantastic software maker and a terrible hardware maker (my oppinion, i could defend it) so I don't think they would be stupid enough not to realize they would be shooting themselves on the foot by trying to pull another wii. How about trying another Snes instead? Wouldn't that be better?

Yes I'm satisfied with Wii U support from Nintendo, NSMBU, Pikmin 3, Wind Waker HD, 3D World, Tropical Freeze, Mario Kart 8, Hyrule Warriors, Smash U, Captain Toad, Splatoon are the games I currently own and they are all great plus games like Mario Maker, Yoshi, Star Fox, Xenoblade are releasing later this year that I plan on getting as well as a few already released game that I haven't had a chance to play yet like Kirby, Bayonetta, Mario Party.

The rumors aren't based on nothing and they aren't about a single hybrid device, they are about a family of devices with shared software. Iwata stated that they want future devices to be more like "brothers" by mimicking the iOS/Android strategy in which all future devices will share the same architecture & operating system allowing for games to more easily be ported from one to the next. Also in a recent interview, Miyamoto gave a hint about future handhelds & consoles being able to share a library.

Why would trying another Wii be shooting themselves in the foot? Wii U is absolutely nothing like the original Wii so it's not a valid reason to show the strategy no longer can work. What u and others don't seem to realize is that NES/SNES didn't dominate simply because of 3rd party support, they dominated because all those big 3rd party titles were exclusive. Megaman, Castelvania, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Street Fighter, etc were all exclusive to Nintendo consoles during those generations. The major selling point of Nintendo devices is and always has been games/features that could only be found on Nintendo devices. Can u name me a single multiplatform title that has ever significantly done anything for Nintendo hardware sales?



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setsunatenshi said:
zorg1000 said:

A 2016 release would give Wii U 4 years, not 3. It's not likely trying to compete directly with PS4 so that consoles success would really have little to no bearing on how successful a Nintendo console would do. I agree with u on option 1 & 2, no need to make it as powerful or more powerful than PS4.

I think option 3 is what they will and should go for along with a unified platform where all or most games are compatible between the console and handheld. The reason why not to simply stick with Wii U is because it's expensive due to the outdated components and they can't support 2 distinct platforms at once, especially since the 3DS successor will take more time/resources than 3DS so how are they supposed to give adequate support to Wii U at the same time?

I say release a handheld and console with the same architecture, operating system, online infrastructure, account system, rewards program, that share a library that has allows for cross-buy/play/save. Have the console be a slight boost over Wii U, similar to the jump from GameCube to Wii, basically faster CPU and more RAM, with the handheld version being a device that can run the same games at a lower resolution.

Of course it's trying to compete with the x1 and ps4. If not, then why don't they release their games on ps4, x1, pc, etc? Obviously because they see those platforms as competition in thevideogame space.

Do i need to explain why this idea of a hybrid console is absolutely pathetic? I explained it before quite in detail in another thread and it's quite tiring making a long response from a cellphone in an airport lol

Basically you would be stuck with neither a good console nor cheap handheld. If you want to play your console games on a handheld there's something you should check. Ps4+ps vita. See if it makes sense to think about hybrid again

Is that first question serious? Releasing their NX games on other consoles would put them in direct competition. U do realize there is this thing called demographics and different demographics have different tastes in things, right? Sony/Microsoft have a firm grip on the 13-35 year old male demographic that loves big budget titles in genres like Shooter/Sports/Racing/Action. That is obviously a very large demographic but there are a bunch of other demographics that they do not cater to. Are young kids, females of varying age, or family demographics being heavily supported by PS4/XBO? Not really.

Like I said, it's not a hybrid, it's separate devices with a unified software library. Nintendo has a hard time giving strong support to 2 separate devices that have little to no similarities, that will only grow as their hardware continues to get more powerful. They can end droughts without needing to increase their software output because all of their games will be accessible on either device. This also allows them to resurrect old and create new IP much easier since it will be unnecessary to make 2 separate versions of all their major franchises.

For example, they released Mario Kart 7 for 3DS in 2011 then got started on Mario Kart 8 for Wii U which released in 2014, instead they can release Mario Kart 9 in 2017 then make a completely new IP or bring back F-Zero in 2020 while still supporting MK9 with DLC in between. Take that and apply it to many of their franchises.

Another benefit is that their home console will get the 3rd party support that their handhelds recieve, games like Bravely Third, Monster Hunter 5, Yokai Watch 4, among others. So NX would be a family of devices that receives 100% support from Nintendo, strong Japanese 3rd party support, child/family friendly software and a ton of indies ensuring that it never has any software droughts.

The console could be slightly more powerful than Wii U and retail for $200 with the handheld being about halfway between Vita & Wii U while retailing for $200 as well and plays the same games at a lower resolution and some minor graphics downgrades. The PS4/Vita comparison is absolutely nothing like this at all.



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setsunatenshi said:
Miyamotoo said:
setsunatenshi said:
Miyamotoo said:
setsunatenshi said:
Miyamotoo said:
setsunatenshi said:
Nintendo fans better hope it's a handheld (and I'm confident it really is).
if they decide to pull the plug on the wii u after 3 years... it will be a bloodbath

How so?

Erm... Cutting their own generation in half basically showing the middle finger to the only people that still care for them, their fanbase. Then releasing new hardware in mid cycle during an extremely successful ps4 which will be probably receiving its first price cut and all the big hitter titles that will obviously make and even starker contrast to a out of nowhere home console carrying the bad taste of the wii u. Then either the console is merely on par with the ps4, in which case it will be criticized for being too weak. More powerful than the ps4 which would make it very very expensive and at best get the same 3rd party games the ps4 will get, which will make people wonder, why pay more when a cheaper and more established console plays the same games in a much bigger userbase.

3rd option they go for cheaper hardware still less powerful than the ps4, in which case everyone will ask, why not just stick with the wii u and give it a normal controller.

Enough reasons? I could go on

Nintendo consoles usually have lifespan of around 5 years, if NX will release next year, it would be 4 year of Wii U, just one year less than usual Nintendo console and thats not big deal, we saw something similar with original Xbox, and we all know for Xbox 360 success.

Nintendo probably will not compete directly with PS4/Xbox One, they are probably doing again something similar like Wii, affordable console (cheaper than PS4/XboxOne, probably around $250) with new concept of playing (maybe hybrid device).


They are not competing with the x1 and ps4? So they are competing with who then? Ford and Audi? Coke and Pepsi? Who are these mystical creatures that will buy a nintendo home console that don't by the time own a ps4 or x1? Why would any current nintendo fan buy again an underpowered console that would be decimated yet again just like their previous wii u? Hybrid device for 250$? Lol... The 3ds when it came out it costed 250$. You're imagining nintendo can afford to give you a home console and handheld for the price they sold their previous handheld for... Sure... Ok then...

Like I wrote, Wii didn't directly competing with PS3/Xbox 360, PS3 vs Xbox 360 competitions was very strong and head to head competition for hardcore gamers (there is reason why called them twins), Wii was targeting everyone from 5-99.

Why would Nintendo fan buy again underpowered console!? Because they love Nintendo games, most of Wii U owners are satisfied with Nintendo suport. And Nintendo clearly dont count only on big Nintendo fans, they next hardware will certainly be more attractive console than Wii U (Nintendo completely failed with Wii U in more different ways).

Yes, Hybrid device for around $250, why not!? 3DS $250 launch price does not indicate anything, you forgetting we had previous home console at same price.

Nintendo said they preparing hardware with new concept of playing and they indicate they want affordable price and that they not going for most powerful console on market.


Nintendo fans are satisfied with wii u support? Is that why 3 years into the console life they are coming with with this ridiculous amount of rumors/posts based on nothing (the hybrid theory) regarding the next console? Let's be honest at least ok?

 

The wii u sucks in hardware and support, especially 3rd party. Nintendo is a fantastic software maker and a terrible hardware maker (my oppinion, i could defend it) so I don't think they would be stupid enough not to realize they would be shooting themselves on the foot by trying to pull another wii. How about trying another Snes instead? Wouldn't that be better?

Yes, Nintendo released some great games on Wii U, some of them are best in whole franchise, and more are coming.

NX rumors/posts coming because we have some infos and hints but we don't nothing for certain about next Nintendo hardware, and yet it will be revealed next year and probably launched same year.

I think Wii U is a good hardware (not powerful, but Nintendo games still look great), but console does not have 3rd party support.

 

Trying to pull another Wii (their best selling console) would be shooting themselves on the foot!? Why?

They have much bigger chances with making affordable console with new concept, than release similar PS4/XboxOne console in middle of generation, I think rather that would be shooting themselves on the foot.



Miyamotoo said:
The_Sony_Girl1 said:
Miyamotoo said:

That why Nintendo talked so much about merging they handheld and home console teams, same architecture and same platform. Also Wii U is their first HD console, so they had problems with developing first HD games and NX will be probably have much more simple arhitecture (ARM or x86 instead of PPC cpu) than Wii U.

Conjoining two development teams into one big one isn't really a good idea.

How so, they will making one Mario Kart instead one Mario Kart for handheld and one for home console, similar like they managed Smash Bros, and they will have more time for other projects. If its a real hybrid device, there will be no need for different types of games (for home console and handheld).

Also console and handheld market (especially) are smaller than last gen.

Because the 3DS developers will slow them down. They are probably still learning how to do HD games. Hard enough they are moving from SD to HD this late.



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NX is just a couple of letters. The appropriate question is, will Nintendo reveal a new handheld next year? Most likely. Will they reveal a new home console next year? Certainly.

Assume we see both, as is highly probable. Which one is "NX"? Maybe both?

It doesn't matter.



The_Sony_Girl1 said:
Miyamotoo said:
The_Sony_Girl1 said:
Miyamotoo said:

That why Nintendo talked so much about merging they handheld and home console teams, same architecture and same platform. Also Wii U is their first HD console, so they had problems with developing first HD games and NX will be probably have much more simple arhitecture (ARM or x86 instead of PPC cpu) than Wii U.

Conjoining two development teams into one big one isn't really a good idea.

How so, they will making one Mario Kart instead one Mario Kart for handheld and one for home console, similar like they managed Smash Bros, and they will have more time for other projects. If its a real hybrid device, there will be no need for different types of games (for home console and handheld).

Also console and handheld market (especially) are smaller than last gen.

Because the 3DS developers will slow them down. They are probably still learning how to do HD games. Hard enough they are moving from SD to HD this late.

This gen we had 3DS team that made Mario Kart for 3DS, and we have Wii U team that made Mario Kart for Wii U, next gen we will have probably just one team that will make Mario Kart that is in same time for handheld and home console or just for one hybid device, while onother team will make difrent game.

So for approximately the same time needed to made two difrent type of Mario Kart games, we will have one Mario Kart and onother difrent game.



So another hint. FFXIV could come to NX, depending on when is the console going to launch.



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