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Forums - Sports - The NFL Thread 2015: Denver Broncos win Super Bowl 50

 

Who will win Super Bowl 50?

Patriots 116 25.00%
 
Seahawks 41 8.84%
 
Colts 7 1.51%
 
Packers 42 9.05%
 
Broncos 85 18.32%
 
Ravens 8 1.72%
 
Cowboys 18 3.88%
 
Panthers 56 12.07%
 
Other 74 15.95%
 
Scoreboard 17 3.66%
 
Total:464
noname2200 on 09 January 2016

McCarren is visibly getting worse as the game progresses. This is impressive in its own sad way.



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MTZehvor on 09 January 2016
RolStoppable said:
MTZehvor said:

Both the Broncos and the Patriots lost at least as much, if not more, than the Bengals did this year. Injuries can only excuse so much, especially when you've turned the ball over as much as Cincy has this game.

What I meant is that a team losing its starting QB should render any notion of "the most complete team" void. The Bengals team that is losing tonight is not the same that was described as the most complete team.

I'd argue it does. If your claim is to be the most complete team (i.e. the team that does well at every aspect of the game), then you should be able to survive losing any player, even one as significant as your quarterback. The fact that the Broncos and Patriots survived worse injuries than that and still succeeded suggests that the Bengals were not the most complete team.

Also, AJ McCarron should apologize to Giovanni Bernard for throwing that pass. That was just asking for him to get destroyed.



noname2200 on 09 January 2016

Wow, the Bungles just got revenge for Bernard!



PenguinZ on 09 January 2016
noname2200 said:
Wow, the Bungles just got revenge for Bernard!

 

Bengals can't get anywhere without taking out players from the opposing team.



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MTZehvor on 09 January 2016
RolStoppable said:
MTZehvor said:

I'd argue it does. If your claim is to be the most complete team (i.e. the team that does well at every aspect of the game), then you should be able to survive losing any player, even one as significant as your quarterback. The fact that the Broncos and Patriots survived worse injuries than that and still succeeded suggests that the Bengals were not the most complete team.

Also, AJ McCarron should apologize to Giovanni Bernard for throwing that pass. That was just asking for him to get destroyed.

The Broncos and Patriots didn't have worse injuries than the Bengals. The QB position is the most important position in football by far and the amount of players who can reliably play the starter role is lower than 30 in a league with 32 teams.

Well, the Broncos did lose their starting QB for a good portion of the season, along with DeMarcus Ware, Chris Harris Jr, and Brandon Marshall, among others. I'm not super up to date on the Bengals' injury report, but outside of Andy Dalton, Terrence Newman is the only significant player I'm aware of that missed extended time. At the very least, Denver suffered worse.

The Patriots is a more difficult argument to make, but I think it's one that can be made, considering that they lost their top three wide receivers for multiple games, lost top two RBs to IR, lost three fourths of their secondary for at least one game (and half for two or more), as well as Donta Hightower, Rob Ninkovich, and basically every single starting offensive lineman was missing for at least three games. Brady and Gronk were consistent throughout, but the sheer decimiation of depth at every other position makes it a close call.



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MTZehvor on 09 January 2016

...I guess that's payback for Carson Palmer in '05?



noname2200 on 09 January 2016
MTZehvor said:
...I guess that's payback for Carson Palmer in '05?

And thus they Cycle Of Hatred continues! Time to insert a hamfisted JRPG speech here, methinks.





mornelithe on 09 January 2016

Wow...throwing bottles at an injured player being carted off the field? Wtf.



noname2200 on 09 January 2016
mornelithe said:
Wow...throwing bottles at an injured player being carted off the field? Wtf.

They are no Cleveland!





MTZehvor on 09 January 2016
RolStoppable said:
MTZehvor said:

Well, the Broncos did lose their starting QB for a good portion of the season, along with DeMarcus Ware, Chris Harris Jr, and Brandon Marshall, among others. I'm not super up to date on the Bengals' injury report, but outside of Andy Dalton, Terrence Newman is the only significant player I'm aware of that missed extended time. At the very least, Denver suffered worse.

The Patriots is a more difficult argument to make, but I think it's one that can be made, considering that they lost their top three wide receivers for multiple games, lost top two RBs to IR, lost three fourths of their secondary for at least one game (and half for two or more), as well as Donta Hightower, Rob Ninkovich, and basically every single starting offensive lineman was missing for at least three games. Brady and Gronk were consistent throughout, but the sheer decimiation of depth at every other position makes it a close call.

Are you seriously trying to say that losing Peyton Manning was detrimental to the Broncos? Remember, that's the guy you mocked for having a noodlearm. Manning also finished the season as the QB with the most interceptions despite missing a good amount of games.

And trust me, you would gladly accept two injured WRs and an injured RB if it meant that Brady is healthy.

When the alternative is Brock Osweiller? Yeah, probably.

And yes, I would accept three injured WRs and two injured RBs if it means keeping Brady healthy, but that's because the Patriots are so reliant on the QB. If I had to bet on a Bengals team, I would much sooner bet on a team without Andy Dalton than one without AJ Green, Marvin Jones, Greg Little, Giovanni Bernard, and Jeremy Hill.