storage is already as fast as it can be, but windows is bottle necking it
storage is already as fast as it can be, but windows is bottle necking it
| spemanig said: Two important questions: Is it as cheap as modern storage? What does it mean for video games? Because if it isn't as cheap as modern storage, then it means nothing for video games, which means it's not worth discussing. |
For console gaming yeah it won't happen. But for PC gaming enthusiasts, they normally try to get those high-end disk drives to have faster loading, and performance and disk drives won't be a bottle neck. but it is maybe just 0.1% of the total gamers, i think. I don't have the actual data to back that 0.1 %

| Teeqoz said: Um, I'm pretty sure they said this had 10x the storage density of raditional NAND. EDIT: and Moore's Law only has a few years left, because we are soon at the point where the "gate" in transistors are the size of an atom, and once we reach that point, there is literally nothing we can do about it. Traditional transistors are reaching their full potential very soon. |
This picture says otherwise ...

It's only got "10x greater density than DRAM" ...
I'm well of aware of an end sight to Moore's Law but that doesn't mean we can't keep extending it now ...
fatslob-:O said:
This picture says otherwise ...
It's only got "10x greater density than DRAM" ... I'm well of aware of an end sight to Moore's Law but that doesn't mean we can't keep extending it now ... |
Considering you can get 16 GB of DRAM on a single unit, that would mean this could have 160 GB on the same size as one RAM chip. And if they sometime release this as a storage drive, who's to say it'll need DIMM connectors at all. Maybe they'll make a new, much faster counterpart to the SATA interface?
Given that Moore's Law will come to an end in like 7 years, you can only extend for so long... This has more future potential than continuing to shrink normal transistors.

| Teeqoz said: Considering you can get 16 GB of DRAM on a single unit, that would mean this could have 160 GB on the same size as one RAM chip. And if they sometime release this as a storage drive, who's to say it'll need DIMM connectors at all. Maybe they'll make a new, much faster counterpart to the SATA interface? Given that Moore's Law will come to an end in like 7 years, you can only extend for so long... This has more future potential than continuing to shrink normal transistors. |
Well you practically do need to have a DIMM slot to get the advertised speed and I doubt Intel will push out a new interface for consumer electronics just to make it cheaper for individuals to have that storage technology setup. I also highly doubt that a new designed alternative to SATA interface will give comparable latencies to what a DIMM slot could offer you too ...
How do you know 3D XPoint has more potential than transistors ? I'm curious but do you know the specifications behind the technology ?
Already read about this elsewhere, but I must say I have my doubts for 2 reasons:
First, there is the price for this new technology. There where some proposed sucessors to Flash, DRAM and SRAM already which failed because of their higher pricetags and only are used in niche or further development.
Second, ReRAM (the main Technology behind it) has some serious problems below 30nm, meaning it will only reach the higher density due to stacking but not due to smaller cells. Which will aditionally raise it's pricetag. However, they might have solved this problem now, the Info I have is from 2013.
fatslob-:O said:
Well you practically do need to have a DIMM slot to get the advertised speed and I doubt Intel will push out a new interface for consumer electronics just to make it cheaper for individuals to have that storage technology setup. I also highly doubt that a new designed alternative to SATA interface will give comparable latencies to what a DIMM slot could offer you too ... How do you know 3D XPoint has more potential than transistors ? I'm curious but do you know the specifications behind the technology ? |
I meant 3D XPoint has more potential in the storage industry than transistors. Transistors can be improved by about 50x of what they are now (and that is being extremely generous), while this can, (at least according to Intel and Micron) reach 1000x of what current storage is at.

| Teeqoz said: I meant 3D XPoint has more potential in the storage industry than transistors. Transistors can be improved by about 50x of what they are now (and that is being extremely generous), while this can, (at least according to Intel and Micron) reach 1000x of what current storage is at. |
IBM, for instance, promised 83,000x denser storage a few years back because they managed to store a retrievable bit on as few as 12 atoms while the average flash needed 1,000,000 atoms per bit. Not to mention the promise of 1 THz carbon transistors and gallium arsenide chips manage to pop up on news every few years. Maybe it is better to be a little careful on what tech companies promise (Intel for instance claims 20-30% better chips every new architecture only for them to run 3-5% faster) because we've seen the same song being sung a thousand times already. Specially when said claim goes as far to claim 20 years of improvements (that's back when Moore's law ran at full speed) on a single breakthrough. Even transistors, for the enormous, world-changing breakthrough they were, managed a mere 16x over vacuum tubes when they first came out.
haxxiy said:
IBM, for instance, promised 83,000x denser storage a few years back because they managed to store a retrievable bit on as few as 12 atoms while the average flash needed 1,000,000 atoms per bit. Not to mention the promise of 1 THz carbon transistors and gallium arsenide chips manage to pop up on news every few years. Maybe it is better to be a little careful on what tech companies promise (Intel for instance claims 20-30% better chips every new architecture only for them to run 3-5% faster) because we've seen the same song being sung a thousand times already. Specially when said claim goes as far to claim 20 years of improvements (that's back when Moore's law ran at full speed) on a single breakthrough. Even transistors, for the enormous, world-changing breakthrough they were, managed a mere 16x over vacuum tubes when they first came out.
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Oh, I'm pretty sure the 1000x figure for this is the max potential, but that is still more than we will get from standard transistors before we will have maxed out Moore's Law.

Great news!!!
About gaming:
That wont be ready and comercializable at time NX cames out, but probably yes for next ps and MS console.
So, nintendo would be late again.
xD