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Aura7541 said:
Aeolus451 said:

Like I said, I haven't seen any mention of those in any game related media, blogs, forums, gaming magazines, ect.  You sound a bit like a disgruntled former employee with this site with your repeated criticisms of it. You barely post in the COMG pre order thread.

Take a look at this regarding GfK: http://abload.de/img/npdmarch2015finalt3yqu.png

Here's an example of Microsoft citing NPD, GfK, and IDG for their figures:

There's an Aquamarine post in GAF somewhere where she explains how Sony gets its PS4 sold-through numbers which involves NPD, GfK, IHS, IDG, and Media Create/Famitsu. However, I don't even know where to look and I wish I bookmarked it for reference...


No point discussing stuff with this aeolus guy.

If he's never heard of GfK before then no wonder he's defending VGChartz numbers so much.

At least in his last post he has the sense to admit that Brett guesses his numbers on here and then adjusts them when the big 3, NPD, GfK & others release their numbers publicly/through leaks and correct him.

 

As I said before, some of the numbers on this site are accurate thanks to publicly available / leaked data. A lot of the numbers of this site are just wrong, hilariously so. 



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padib said:
ZhugeEX said:


No point discussing stuff with this aeolus guy.

If he's never heard of GfK before then no wonder he's defending VGChartz numbers so much.

At least in his last post he has the sense to admit that Brett guesses his numbers on here and then adjusts them when the big 3, NPD, GfK & others release their numbers publicly/through leaks and correct him.

 

As I said before, some of the numbers on this site are accurate thanks to publicly available / leaked data. A lot of the numbers of this site are just wrong, hilariously so. 

I respect your knowledge, but how do you know all this information (how Brett gets his numbers, the leaks, these other stat groups)?

If we're a sales forum and we're not very familiar with GfK and IDG, that kind of puts us the users to shame. I'll speak for myself because honestly I only vaguely remember seeing IDG. What do these groups track, Europe, Australia, Canada?

I know this because I've been following the industry for a very long time and becuase my current employer has relationships with some of these organisations meaning I have access to various research reports. 

IDG are the trusted forecast vendor for a number of organisations within the video game industry. 

They fully track and forecast console hardware sales to end users on a global basis, as well as this they have a consulting service, insights service and research service that focuses around the whole video game industry including digital. They release reports every 3 months and recently released their 2015 report where they forecast a total of 34 million PlayStation 4's and 20 million Xbox One's will be sold through to end users by December 31st 2015. (Numbers have been rounded)

I believe they have over 30 years experience in doing this and they use a wide variety of sources including internal research, NPD, GfK, partner reports, financial reports and general industry contacts in order to ensure that their services that they provide to clients are as accurate as possible. 

Clients that subscribe to IDG include but are not limited to Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony, Square Enix, Nvidia, Sega, Ubisoft, Tencent, Facebook, Activision, Atari, Best Buy, Capcom, Konami, JPMorgan, Barclays, GameStop, Namco Bandai, Time Warner, Warner Brothers, Codemasters, Deutsche Bank, GAME UK, Morgan Stanley, Rockstar, Take Two, Viacom & Disney.



HollyGamer said:
and yet some one ruin the party by bringing sales discussion

at OP, actually I am Shu , Shu is me, Shu is in my closet, my table, my dinner plate, Shue is every where , i am Shue and Shu is in every one.


Hi Shu thanks for Last Guardian don' stop smiling at Press conferences.



ZhugeEX said:
Aura7541 said:

Take a look at this regarding GfK: http://abload.de/img/npdmarch2015finalt3yqu.png

Here's an example of Microsoft citing NPD, GfK, and IDG for their figures:

There's an Aquamarine post in GAF somewhere where she explains how Sony gets its PS4 sold-through numbers which involves NPD, GfK, IHS, IDG, and Media Create/Famitsu. However, I don't even know where to look and I wish I bookmarked it for reference...


No point discussing stuff with this aeolus guy.

If he's never heard of GfK before then no wonder he's defending VGChartz numbers so much.

At least in his last post he has the sense to admit that Brett guesses his numbers on here and then adjusts them when the big 3, NPD, GfK & others release their numbers publicly/through leaks and correct him.

 

As I said before, some of the numbers on this site are accurate thanks to publicly available / leaked data. A lot of the numbers of this site are just wrong, hilariously so. 


I'm not defending the accuracy of vgchartz numbers. The majority of the regular forum goers understands the numbers here are estimates of worldwide video game sales and that gives us plenty to converse/debate about but I'm against your constant knocking of the site and it's estimates. You're adding nothing of value to discussion by doing that. 



ZhugeEX said:

No point discussing stuff with this aeolus guy.

If he's never heard of GfK before then no wonder he's defending VGChartz numbers so much.

At least in his last post he has the sense to admit that Brett guesses his numbers on here and then adjusts them when the big 3, NPD, GfK & others release their numbers publicly/through leaks and correct him.

As I said before, some of the numbers on this site are accurate thanks to publicly available / leaked data. A lot of the numbers of this site are just wrong, hilariously so. 

I think we should all step back a bit and take it easy. Some people just never heard of IDG or GfK Chart-Track. However, let's not condescend them, but rather teach them. Don't get me wrong. I'm as skeptical as you are when it comes to VGC's numbers.



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padib said:
ZhugeEX said:

I know this because I've been following the industry for a very long time and becuase my current employer has relationships with some of these organisations meaning I have access to various research reports. 

IDG are the trusted forecast vendor for a number of organisations within the video game industry. 

They fully track and forecast console hardware sales to end users on a global basis, as well as this they have a consulting service, insights service and research service that focuses around the whole video game industry including digital. They release reports every 3 months and recently released their 2015 report where they forecast a total of 34 million PlayStation 4's and 20 million Xbox One's will be sold through to end users by December 31st 2015. (Numbers have been rounded)

I believe they have over 30 years experience in doing this and they use a wide variety of sources including internal research, NPD, GfK, partner reports, financial reports and general industry contacts in order to ensure that their services that they provide to clients are as accurate as possible. 

Clients that subscribe to IDG include but are not limited to Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony, Square Enix, Nvidia, Sega, Ubisoft, Tencent, Facebook, Activision, Atari, Best Buy, Capcom, Konami, JPMorgan, Barclays, GameStop, Namco Bandai, Time Warner, Warner Brothers, Codemasters, Deutsche Bank, GAME UK, Morgan Stanley, Rockstar, Take Two, Viacom & Disney.

Good to know.

In reading your post I can't help but think that this sounds a lot like what Brett does, minus the 30 years experience and minus the large team of research.

"they use a wide variety of sources including internal research, NPD, GfK, partner reports, financial reports and general industry contacts in order to ensure that their services that they provide to clients are as accurate as possible."

Everyone must start somewhere.

Hmmm, I wouldn't so casually compare VGChartz and IDG. There is a reason IDG are most trusted in the industry and why VGChartz are not.

For one, IDG uses definitive values for each region as provided by NPD, GfK and Enterbrain in order to fully estimate total sell through. They of course continually use this data to update their tracking and provide a very accurate picture of the current install bases at all times. Of course in regards to the forecast service they provide that is based on estimatations and trends etc.... But their current tracking is very very accurate and you'll see IDG figures quoted by leading organisations, the latest of which I believe was Take Two during their recent earnings report. 

VGChartz does not have access to real time sales data provided by NPD, GfK or others and therefore he estimates based on shipment reports and polling. He corrects his data when one of the above sources release a public number or have a leak. That is very very different to how an actual market research organisation operates. 



ZhugeEX said:

This is very misleading.

He does not quote any VGChartz data.

What he says is that Sony have not officially confirmed 4 million PlayStation Vita sales in Japan.
Media Create recently showed 4m+ sales in Japan.
VGChartz seems to have done this as well.

Yoshida is saying that Sony haven't announced it and so he's assuming that the interviewer must have used some public tracking service like VGChartz. If anything he is saying it in a way that makes VGChartz seem negative as he is just brushing it off as something the average person will go to and quote as fact. Because Sony never announced such a thing publicly. 


Hes downplaying it because he doesnt like how VGchartz is exposing accurate numbers to everybody without his permission 



Ruler said:
ZhugeEX said:

This is very misleading.

He does not quote any VGChartz data.

What he says is that Sony have not officially confirmed 4 million PlayStation Vita sales in Japan.
Media Create recently showed 4m+ sales in Japan.
VGChartz seems to have done this as well.

Yoshida is saying that Sony haven't announced it and so he's assuming that the interviewer must have used some public tracking service like VGChartz. If anything he is saying it in a way that makes VGChartz seem negative as he is just brushing it off as something the average person will go to and quote as fact. Because Sony never announced such a thing publicly. 


Hes downplaying it because he doesnt like how VGchartz is exposing accurate numbers to everybody without his permission 


VGChartz use Media Create and Famitsu for their Japanese sales data.



ZhugeEX said:
Ruler said:


Hes downplaying it because he doesnt like how VGchartz is exposing accurate numbers to everybody without his permission 


VGChartz use Media Create and Famitsu for their Japanese sales data.


Yeah and own sources as well



BraLoD said:
The_Sony_Girl1 said:

I'm his secretary.


Can you please confirm our meeting tomorrow?

Sure. Let me bring up his schedule.

 

He's free at 4 A.M in the morning.



Bet with Xander XT: 

I can beat more games on his 3DS than he can on my PSVita in a month. Loser has to buy the winner a game on his/her handheld Guess who won? http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=193531

Me!