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generic-user-1 said:
Player2 said:

And it'll last for over 30+ years. What happens here is that there's another guy in the middle who wants money. Uk wanted to pay 80 Pounds/mw, France 100 Pounds/mw and it ended at 92.5 Pounds/mw.

wind lasts 20 years minimum, and costs alot less... 


and blots miles and miles of landscape and works fantastic when there is no wind. ;)

Personally I'm thinking Tidal power is an area that could potentially be by far the most effective for many places. Particularly with large coastlines such as the UK and many European countries have.



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MikeRox said:
generic-user-1 said:
Player2 said:

And it'll last for over 30+ years. What happens here is that there's another guy in the middle who wants money. Uk wanted to pay 80 Pounds/mw, France 100 Pounds/mw and it ended at 92.5 Pounds/mw.

wind lasts 20 years minimum, and costs alot less... 


and blots miles and miles of landscape and works fantastic when there is no wind. ;)

Personally I'm thinking Tidal power is an area that could potentially be by far the most effective for many places. Particularly with large coastlines such as the UK and many European countries have.


coastalzones are realy important for wildlife.  the north sea has some of the jummyest seafood in the world...



There could actually be conservational benefits to the Tidal power generators too though. All they basically do is delay the tide a few hours in and out.

http://www.severntidal.com/info.html

The small difference in level also facilitates the safe passage of salmon and other fish species through the special turbines, something that is not possible with conventional turbines with their high pressure drop and sharp edged high-speed runners (rotors). There is nothing to suggest that there should be any more risk (possibly less) from a salmon passing through a turbine than from ascending a natural obstacle of similar height in a river such as a set of rapids, with sharp rocks and high turbulence.



RIP Dad 25/11/51 - 13/12/13. You will be missed but never forgotten.

Well, it's here. Greece's government passed the austerity measures the Greek people said "No" to. Let's see if Europe accepts their surrender.



Psychotic said:
Well, it's here. Greece's government passed the austerity measures the Greek people said "No" to. Let's see if Europe accepts their surrender.

yea, from what I heard their offer is even a bit harsher than the conditions of the deal the people voted on..   I wonder who Tsipras plans to betray - his voters, like this new offer suggests, or the creditors 



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Psychotic said:
Well, it's here. Greece's government passed the austerity measures the Greek people said "No" to. Let's see if Europe accepts their surrender.

The new deal is a tad better. Some mention of debt relief and more money in general.

But it certainly wasn't worth bringing Greece to the edge of abyss. It can still fall in.



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MikeRox said:
There could actually be conservational benefits to the Tidal power generators too though. All they basically do is delay the tide a few hours in and out.

http://www.severntidal.com/info.html

The small difference in level also facilitates the safe passage of salmon and other fish species through the special turbines, something that is not possible with conventional turbines with their high pressure drop and sharp edged high-speed runners (rotors). There is nothing to suggest that there should be any more risk (possibly less) from a salmon passing through a turbine than from ascending a natural obstacle of similar height in a river such as a set of rapids, with sharp rocks and high turbulence.

i  dont fear for the adult fishes, but those places are most of the time the ground where fish lay down their eggs..

if its safe, hell yeah, bring it. but till then, we shouldnt risks to much. marine wildlife is allreay massivly under presure.



generic-user-1 said:
MikeRox said:
There could actually be conservational benefits to the Tidal power generators too though. All they basically do is delay the tide a few hours in and out.

http://www.severntidal.com/info.html

The small difference in level also facilitates the safe passage of salmon and other fish species through the special turbines, something that is not possible with conventional turbines with their high pressure drop and sharp edged high-speed runners (rotors). There is nothing to suggest that there should be any more risk (possibly less) from a salmon passing through a turbine than from ascending a natural obstacle of similar height in a river such as a set of rapids, with sharp rocks and high turbulence.

i  dont fear for the adult fishes, but those places are most of the time the ground where fish lay down their eggs..

if its safe, hell yeah, bring it. but till then, we shouldnt risks to much. marine wildlife is allreay massivly under presure.


There are fears on wildlife for the electro magnetic fields that wind turbines create though. Also whether the vibrations that they create also do any harm. We don't really know a lot about any of it at the moment.

But to me Tidal does potentially look like the least disruptive and most reliable source of renewable energy. :)



RIP Dad 25/11/51 - 13/12/13. You will be missed but never forgotten.

MikeRox said:
generic-user-1 said:
MikeRox said:
There could actually be conservational benefits to the Tidal power generators too though. All they basically do is delay the tide a few hours in and out.

http://www.severntidal.com/info.html

The small difference in level also facilitates the safe passage of salmon and other fish species through the special turbines, something that is not possible with conventional turbines with their high pressure drop and sharp edged high-speed runners (rotors). There is nothing to suggest that there should be any more risk (possibly less) from a salmon passing through a turbine than from ascending a natural obstacle of similar height in a river such as a set of rapids, with sharp rocks and high turbulence.

i  dont fear for the adult fishes, but those places are most of the time the ground where fish lay down their eggs..

if its safe, hell yeah, bring it. but till then, we shouldnt risks to much. marine wildlife is allreay massivly under presure.


There are fears on wildlife for the electro magnetic fields that wind turbines create though. Also whether the vibrations that they create also do any harm. We don't really know a lot about any of it at the moment.

But to me Tidal does potentially look like the least disruptive and most reliable source of renewable energy. :)


the electro magnetic field does nothing to animals or humans, thats just a trick argument of stupid people who dont like windturbines. same goes for infrasonic waves.  the only real problem are birds that get killed. but those numbers will go down over time because birds will adept. 

but im against wind in the german and danish northsea too, thats one of the most important region for young fish, and other sealife and we shouldnt build huge buildings into the mud.



generic-user-1 said:


nuclear is more expensive than burning money... the brits have to pay 92,5 Pound/mw.

and that finish nuclear plant is still in the building burning alot of money...

92,5 for what exactly? Price for an end-user? For electric power company? Does it include transportation? Is this specificllay a NPP energy price? Or average for UK? And last but not least, "MW" or "MWh"?