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Woah woah woah! Don't you know only western AAA games count? Shame on you!



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Mr Puggsly said:
estebxx said:
Mr Puggsly said:

A million is a drop in the bucket compared to the other 21 million units PS4 has sold. This is why Sony basically just makes games for the west these days. Even their Japanese games are designed to appeal to us.

Hence, the PS4 is a massive success even without the indie, niche, Japanese games. So I repeat, "They arent the reasons PS4 is doing so well."

i dont think its a stretch to say that by the end of the gen the PS4 will have 6 million or more consoles sold in japan (probably even more if great JRPGs keep coming to the system like FF7remake, Star Ocean 5, Persona 5, Dragon Quest Heroes 2 etc), if you think those numbers arent partly the reason why the PS4 is selling and will probably keep selling more than their competitors this gen then i have nothing to disscuss with you because your standars are completly off from mines, for you a million is nothing, for me its a big number especially since the competition is selling almost nothing in the same region... not to mention we dont know how many people outside of Japan are buying a PS4 for this type of games (like myself).

I'm not saying the Japanese numbers are worth nothing, its just not that significant compared to the west. Sony would gladly trade its Japanese market share for more western gamers. Especially since the Japanese console market seems to be shrinking. Again, Sony doesn't even cater to its Japanese audience anymore. Especially with Vita's relatively quick death (i.e. legacy platform).

We also don't know how many people in Japan are buying PS4 to play western games. You know... those gaijin.

And so ladies and gentleman, we have the original poster agreeing with what is said in bold, which is the backbone of his argument for what is underlined.  "We don't know"  and "they aren't the reason" are polar opposites if you ask me.

You aren't saying Japanese numbers are worth nothing, but rather "a drop in the bucket".  Seems pretty insignificant if you ask me.  Let me guess, you are the type of person that thinks that if it isn't done the American way or appeal to Americans, then it is the wrong way.  

Now it all makes sense as to why you enjoy the XB1 game library so much.



Mr Puggsly said:
estebxx said:
Mr Puggsly said:

A million is a drop in the bucket compared to the other 21 million units PS4 has sold. This is why Sony basically just makes games for the west these days. Even their Japanese games are designed to appeal to us.

Hence, the PS4 is a massive success even without the indie, niche, Japanese games. So I repeat, "They arent the reasons PS4 is doing so well."

i dont think its a stretch to say that by the end of the gen the PS4 will have 6 million or more consoles sold in japan (probably even more if great JRPGs keep coming to the system like FF7remake, Star Ocean 5, Persona 5, Dragon Quest Heroes 2 etc), if you think those numbers arent partly the reason why the PS4 is selling and will probably keep selling more than their competitors this gen then i have nothing to disscuss with you because your standars are completly off from mines, for you a million is nothing, for me its a big number especially since the competition is selling almost nothing in the same region... not to mention we dont know how many people outside of Japan are buying a PS4 for this type of games (like myself).

1) I'm not saying the Japanese numbers are worth nothing, its just not that significant compared to the west.

2) Sony would gladly trade its Japanese market share for more western gamers. Especially since the Japanese console market seems to be shrinking.

3) Again, Sony doesn't even cater to its Japanese audience anymore. Especially with Vita's relatively quick death (i.e. legacy platform).

4) We also don't know how many people in Japan are buying PS4 to play western games. You know... those gaijin.

1) you defenetly made it seem like they were worth nothing... and of course its not as big as in the west but they matter regardless.

2) if what you are trying to say is that they would trade their sales potential of a shrinking market to a market thats still strong then yeah every company would do that, however this is reality and you cant and shouldnt ignore the japanese market and they defenetly arent doing that

3) and you seem to forget that the three MEGATONS that sony dropped at E3 were all japanese games that are bound to move units in japan, most of them may not be first party like the last guardian but they are all efforts to try and revitalize the japanese console market, even square enix admitted that they hope they can revitalize the console market with the FFVII remake not to mention Sony already have tons of japanese games even some co-developed ones like Bloodborne. yes not all of them are first party in fact i think none of them are, but this is how its been since the PS1, they have a very little number of first party japanese exclusives per system, (the PS1 had LOD, the PS2 had SotC and ICO, the PS3 has none and the PS4 is getting the Last Guardian), at the end of the day the PS consoles offer a system were this games can be succesful.

4) of course theres people buying non japanse games in japan as well, im sure The Witcher 3 sold really well there and pushed some units, at the end of the day every game matters and having games of all kinds wether its japanese, western, AAA, B games, Indies they all appeal to different people arround the world and they all help to sell more units, they all count and they all MATTER in the end.

EDIT: point number 4 is my whole argument.

im not trying to prove if Sony does or doesnt support the console with enough first party japanese games, or if they would do better with more western sales than with japanese ones, NO, nothing of that is what im trying to say, all of what im trying to prove is that all games MATTER and you shouldnt dissmiss japanese games no matter how niche or popular they are becuase they do move systems in japan and out of japan and they DO APPEAL to people not only in japan but arround the world as well.



Azzanation said:
Aeolus451 said:


There's no point to bother with it. He can read the thread.


I have, and thats why i choose qaulity over qauntity. I would choose 1 good game over 5 average ones. Steam has the biggest library yet that doesnt mean anything. All my opinions and preference. Its not that the PS4 lacks games. It lacks blockbusters.


Well, the comparisons were the PS4 to the xbox one. Steam doesn't really have anything to do with that.  You shouldn't judge the quality of games based on your preferences. Because you're ultimately demeaning anyone that has different tastes than you. Can't you acknowledge that their games are good or great with you not liking 'em?  

It's not a matter of quality vs quantity. It's you choosing your preference over someone else's preference. 


 

 



You guys do know that now we've proven the 'no game' narrative a lie, the next step will be to say we're obsessed with the number of games on the PS4? It happened with resolution too. It WAS about proof of power because some people just couldn't accept the truth. Then when we got proof (that being resolution) the argument shifted to 'Sony fans are obsessed with resolution.'

It's this lack of humility that bothers me most.



 

The PS5 Exists. 


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Azzanation said:
Aeolus451 said:


There's no point to bother with it. He can read the thread.


I have, and thats why i choose qaulity over qauntity. I would choose 1 good game over 5 average ones. Steam has the biggest library yet that doesnt mean anything. All my opinions and preference. Its not that the PS4 lacks games. It lacks blockbusters.

I honestly don't think that it is all about "qaulity over qauntity", but rather having a diverse lineup of games.  That ensures that the gamer can choose from a vast array of games over various genres.  A game that you desire to play is a "qaulity" game no matter how you twist it.  It doesn't have to be a huge blockbuster hit for it to be "qaulity".  

People like you don't understand that Playstation gamers want new characters and experiences when they jump into a new generation instead of the same yearly released and repetitive franchises/genres.  

So enjoy your Halo, Gears and Forza games.  But understand that those "blockbuster" games are the exact reason why PS4 owners don't want to pick up an XB1.  Diversity is key



d21lewis said:
It's all subjective.

Last gen, Xbox 360 had 1000s of exclusive $1 games, tons of Arcade games, a few "Truev exclusives", and some games that were shared with PC. It equalled out to " Xbox had no games ". Any attempt to state otherwise was meet with such statements as " The Xbox is a magical console. I can play its exclusives without owning one! "

A thread I made last gen reached over 300 posts as people argued that ALL GAMES COUNT vs a large group that claims only retail exclusives with a metacritic score of over 70% counted as actual games. Now, it seems that the goalposts have shifted again. Suddenly everything counts as I had always hoped it would.

Doesn't matter to people that took a particular stance a year or two ago. All that matters is that their favorite console is "winning". And even if the PS4 is winning and winning quite soundly, that's not enough. Some kind of pleasure is derived by driving your opponents face in their loss. That's console wars for ya!

lol damn never saw it get that 1 sided.  There's no perfect formula as I can't in good conscience count indies the same as a AAA exclusive and there are varying degrees of downloadable title (Ryme vs. OlliOlli2 or something is apples to oranges).  I also count the subscription games into the argument now.  Also I put less and less stock in metacritic as the years go on as I have loved some very low rated games and usually disagree with their franchise rankings (like Uncharted 3 more than 2 and recently LOVED the Order despite their harsh reviews).  Also I don't think it's about driving a loser's face in the dirt.  If PS4 wasn't constantly being derided as selling with no games and "have fun playing sales" by other fan groups PS4 fans wouldn't defend themselves with lists of games to disprove these claims.  There are bad eggs that drive the good eggs to respond.



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GribbleGrunger said:
You guys do know that now we've proven the 'no game' narrative a lie, the next step will be to say we're obsessed with the number of games on the PS4? It happened with resolution too. It WAS about proof of power because some people just couldn't accept the truth. Then when we got proof (that being resolution) the argument shifted to 'Sony fans are obsessed with resolution.'

It's this lack of humility that bothers me most.

Oh, so you proved somehow opinions on games are "a lie"? lol no offense but what a load of crap.



LudicrousSpeed said:

Oh, so you proved somehow opinions on games are "a lie"? lol no offense but what a load of crap.

It's not an opinion, it's a fact. A fact that has been catagorically proven time and time again in as many ways as possible.



 

The PS5 Exists. 


Mr Puggsly said:
estebxx said:
Mr Puggsly said:

A million is a drop in the bucket compared to the other 21 million units PS4 has sold. This is why Sony basically just makes games for the west these days. Even their Japanese games are designed to appeal to us.

Hence, the PS4 is a massive success even without the indie, niche, Japanese games. So I repeat, "They arent the reasons PS4 is doing so well."

i dont think its a stretch to say that by the end of the gen the PS4 will have 6 million or more consoles sold in japan (probably even more if great JRPGs keep coming to the system like FF7remake, Star Ocean 5, Persona 5, Dragon Quest Heroes 2 etc), if you think those numbers arent partly the reason why the PS4 is selling and will probably keep selling more than their competitors this gen then i have nothing to disscuss with you because your standars are completly off from mines, for you a million is nothing, for me its a big number especially since the competition is selling almost nothing in the same region... not to mention we dont know how many people outside of Japan are buying a PS4 for this type of games (like myself).

I'm not saying the Japanese numbers are worth nothing, its just not that significant compared to the west. Sony would gladly trade its Japanese market share for more western gamers. Especially since the Japanese console market seems to be shrinking. Again, Sony doesn't even cater to its Japanese audience anymore. Especially with Vita's relatively quick death (i.e. legacy platform).

We also don't know how many people in Japan are buying PS4 to play western games. You know... those gaijin.

Whetever its death or not its enough to produce more games than any other country out there except for the US. And thats a fact, the term western is very misleading because the majority of these western games are from the US