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Sansui on 14 March 2008
ZenfoldorVGI said:
kingofwale said:
Reggie... or anybody for that matters, should shut up about other company's business, especially if you don't have anything constructive to say.

Saying Microsoft's xbox isn't an 'smart idea' is just asking to get yourself disrespected by gamers.
 

From a business perspective, the 360 is the biggest money leech in existance. It, with the Zune, made a 500,000,000 "profit" in what is probably its most profitable year ever, and that includes from here on out, and that doesn't include the 1,000,000,000 dollar cost of the RRoD.

I know your smart enough not to fall for MS spin though, so lets assume you know the 360 was a bad business decision, and instead your problem is with Reggie saying it.

If you ask me, I think he fielded the question rather respectfully.

What say you? 


"so lets assume you know the 360 was a bad business decision"

Nice.  I can tell you are clearly an unbiased debater on this issue.  The xbox only looks like a bad investment if you don't take into account Microsoft's reasons for getting into the business.

Before the first xbox came out, it was stated that Microsoft wanted their software and hardware "in every living room", because the home entertainment center is taking center stage away from everything else - movies, music, and even the PC.

Their strategy all along has been to build an entertainment platform that will be ready to consume the revenue stream of digital media and online subscribers.  With the success of Xbox live, and downloadable content becoming mainstream, I'd say they're well on their way to meeting those goals (although certainly not overachieving at this point)

Certainly there's no way they could have foreseen the success of the Wii.  After the N64, and then the dismal Gamecube, they looked to be going the way of Sega to even the fanboys.  If the HD DVD / Blu Ray war had gone on for another year, which was the expectation of most, PS3 wouldn't be seeing this early year boost.  And then of course the RROD debacle... now THAT was a poor business decision, regarding hardware testing.  They could have seen that coming.

Good business decisions put up against some strong plays from competitors, and you can't deny the success of software on the 360 platform.  They've broadened their library, brought in new IPs to cover areas they were weak in, and continue to push the strength of their Live service.  I think it's pretty clear Reggie is just talking shit... can you imagine him saying that during Gamecube days? Ahem.... no.  
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Sansui on 14 March 2008
RolStoppable said:

Ken Kutaragi openly stated during the PS1 era that their main competitor would be Microsoft and not Nintendo or Sega. Kutaragi's vision always was that a future iteration of the PlayStation should become a multimedia center to replace the PC one day and that's why Microsoft entered the console market. 

The Xbox line is a defensive business, it's main purpose was to stop Sony, no wonder that Microsoft was willing to lose so much money on the Xbox and came back with the 360 to do it all over again. Of course Microsoft also hoped to make money during the process, but so far the results have been dismal. Think about it, if a company makes $4 billion in losses in 4 years, why would they stay in this business and not exit it?


Exactly

Microsoft is waging the living room war and they can't afford not to.  It's the same reason why they're working on the "tabletop" computing, and it's the reason why movie theaters, arcades, and traditional entertainment venues are starting to fail.

Huge, high resolution displays, surround sound audio gear, powerful entertainment systems - in 50 years movie theaters will be in the same poor shape that arcades in America are.  People looking at this from the perspective of a video game console war are not looking at the big picture
TheBigFatJ on 14 March 2008
Rath said:
I don't agree. As a commercial venture it has not been a huge success (though this generation has been far more successful than the last) however as a challenge to Sony - it has had far more luck and may well have more than payed for itself in that it is partially responsible for the comparative failure of the PS3.

I wouldn't say the Xbox 360 was more successful than the original Xbox from a business perspective.  I'd say it perhaps was less unsuccessful than the original Xbox.  It hasn't generated success yet.

Reggie is correct. From an MS shareholder perspective, the Xbox project has been a waste of effort.  If MS poured that much money and effort somewhere else, couldn't they have made money by now?



elendar on 14 March 2008

Awww I get it. When a product starts to at least become a success in terms of profit... You should regret ever entering the video game biz.

Unable to reduce xbox 1 costs = a mistake
RROD = a mistake

With out those two mistakes the bottom line would be a lot rosier however its not by any means the end of the world.

+ I really hate that reggie guy



Final-Fan on 14 March 2008
makingmusic476 said:
Rath said:
makingmusic476 said:
 
They decided to enter into the console business at the end of the ps1 days, and Sony didn't start with their media center approach until the PSX, which didn't launch until the very end of 2003, was extremely expensive, and was only sold in Japan.

I don't think anybody was worried about Sony replacing PCs in 1999 when MS first decided to make the Xbox.
The PSX is the original playstation, the PS1 is the 'slim' model. At least I'm pretty sure thats the way it went. The PS2 was announced before the Xbox and I think that around that time MS might have seen the potential threat to its business, the PS2 boasted some multimedia capabilities (the DVD player in particular) that might have seemed threatening.

Even if they didn't see the threat then (which I still believe they did) they have still helped to fend it off now that it is apparent that it is a threat. The dethroning of the Playstation is a victory for MS.
No, this is the PSX. :P

Edit:  And this is what it looks like.
You are both correct; the original PlayStation was also known as PSX (PlayStation eXperimental, apparently).

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Final-Fan on 14 March 2008

LOL. Site is currently VANDALIZED. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation
[edit: not anymore. You can check the history if you still want to see it.]



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ChichiriMuyo on 14 March 2008
makingmusic476 said:
Rath said:
makingmusic476 said:
Rath said:
I don't agree. As a commercial venture it has not been a huge success (though this generation has been far more successful than the last) however as a challenge to Sony - it has had far more luck and may well have more than payed for itself in that it is partially responsible for the comparative failure of the PS3.

But how does the comparitive failure of the ps3 help them? In the Xbox vs PlayStation war, yes it's a good thing, but the point was what good came of them entering the console wars at all? They've lost billions, and the ps3 going strong would not have hurt them in the slightest if they didn't have a console competing with it.

I mean, losing billions on a project to hurt a competitor that you never would've had had you not started the project is hardly the project paying for itself.


They were afraid of Sony gaining a presence in the living room that could eventually replace the PC, thus causing Windows to become obsolete and losing them their main source of income. They decided to head it off early by attacking that presence in the living room.

They don't seem to be as afraid of Nintendo (with things like Viva Pinata DS), probably because Nintendo seems less interested in making a media centre type thing and more interested in making a games console.

 

@RubangB. You mean all alone in his office. At his computer. With the door locked. No idea.


They decided to enter into the console business at the end of the ps1 days, and Sony didn't start with their media center approach until the PSX, which didn't launch until the very end of 2003, was extremely expensive, and was only sold in Japan.

I don't think anybody was worried about Sony replacing PCs in 1999 when MS first decided to make the Xbox. 


Actually, while there was no fanfare, Sony made no secret of the fact that they were pushing CD-ROM in video games in order to push the multimedia capabilties as well.  And by the time MS found out there'd be a DVD player in it (likelye some time in 98 or 99) it was obvious that Sony had to be fought.  Really, MS pays people to predict these things 5-10 years before they happen.  Do you really think that those multi-million dollar a year execs and think-tanks are going to let Sony slip by without any fight when it's obvious that in each console generation they were going to add more multimedia features?



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steven787 on 14 March 2008

I agree, because it was unnecessary for them to enter, and although they will make a profit this year it will take years for them to make back everything they lost. Meanwhile they didn't get anything out of it as far as secondary goals. 20mln homes does not make it a mainstream set-top box, they didn't push any new format, Live has not spread popularity to PC. They only have another 2 years of profit before the next generation and they will start losing money again. Not to mention the 360 has helped to destroyed what little perceived dependability MS products had.



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Euphoria14 on 14 March 2008
Rath said:
makingmusic476 said:
 

They decided to enter into the console business at the end of the ps1 days, and Sony didn't start with their media center approach until the PSX, which didn't launch until the very end of 2003, was extremely expensive, and was only sold in Japan.

I don't think anybody was worried about Sony replacing PCs in 1999 when MS first decided to make the Xbox.


 The PSX is the original playstation, the PS1 is the 'slim' model. At least I'm pretty sure thats the way it went. The PS2 was announced before the Xbox and I think that around that time MS might have seen the potential threat to its business, the PS2 boasted some multimedia capabilities (the DVD player in particular) that might have seemed threatening.

 Even if they didn't see the threat then (which I still believe they did) they have still helped to fend it off now that it is apparent that it is a threat. The dethroning of the Playstation is a victory for MS.


 Wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSX_(DVR)

 

If they were so worried about the DVD player inside, why not just make DVD players? Maybe because they wanted in on the gamers? Not to mention... since when were PC's the media center in the Living room? Why do we buy TV's and stereo systems again? I don't watch my movies and listen to music with friends and family in front of a computer... we do it on the couch in front of the TV.

They just wanted in... simple as that.

 

I also realized you are comparing the PC to Gaming consoles. I thought everyone said they were not the same thing? Keep it going and you will slowly admit your console of choice does not have as many exclusives as you think.

Think wisely before continuing this "PC as the Media Center of the living room so needed to cut into the gaming userbase" hog wash.

 

 



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