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ClaudeLv250 said:
Rath said:
@Claude, no it was entirely relevant. You said that people were being hypocritical for attacking this guy and not attacking the chick from Hillarys camp, I explained why it was the case.

Obama hasn't yet distanced himself from this guy and I don't know if he will. Also this guy is closely linked to Obama, openly endorses him, Obama knows about him and Obama hasn't yet done anything.
Let me put it this way, if you were say, Hillary, and your priest went and joined the KKK and started preaching racial supremacy and how you should win because you were white. Wouldn't you distance yourself from him?

Same situation, I'm losing respect for Obama if he doesn't distance himself from a racist person who is endorsing him and who he is closely linked to.


Oh and I don't really care if you call me an idiot to be honest =

I didn't say anything about hypocrisy, I said the people were trying to deflect Ferraro's comments by pointing at Obama's preacher instead. In other words it's damage control by shifting attention to something else. And like I said, Obama is obviously going to denounce the man, it's just ridiculous that people's 'respect' revovle around whether hedid it at 1:00 or 1:15.

 


 No respect revolves around whether he does it. If he does like you expect him to, no big deal. If he doesn't then he loses respect.

Also I think this is on the same level as Ferraro's comments, so there should probably be around the same amount of damage.

 

@famousringo, I don't think anyone is holding Obama accountable for what this guy is saying, merely saying he should distance himself from it. Also its not somebody he has 'met', its his preacher for the past 20 years. =\ 



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My question is why for 20 years he has followed this pastor?? 

 

Denouncing him now does not really mean much when you are regarding that person as a family member for the past 20 years. He is obviously doing it as damage control but that damage is done already to Mr. Obama.

 

 



 

 


Race and the Democrats, Part III [Victor Davis Hanson]

Betrayed?

The problems with Rev. Wright and Sen. Obama are fivefold. They won’t go away, but they will raise dilemmas for him that have no analogy, no parallel with other religious leaders of dubious past declamations who have supported the other candidates:

1) The Obamas were not merely endorsed by, or attended the church of, Rev. Wright, but subsidized his hatred with generous donations, were married by him, and had their children baptized by this venomous preacher; there is nothing quite comparable in the case of Sens. Clinton and McCain.

2) Rev. Wright’s invective is not insensitive or hyperbolic alone, but in the end disgusting. And when listened to rather than read, the level of emotion and fury only compound the racism and hatred, whether in its attack on the Clintons, or profanity-laced slander of the United States and its history, or in gratuitous references to other races. Its reactionary Afrocentrism, conspiracy-theory, and illiberal racial separatism take us back to the 1970s, and compare with the worst of the fossilized Farrakhan—and have no remote parallel in the present campaign.

3) Sen. Obama has proclaimed a new politics of hope and change that were supposedly to transcend such venom and character assassination of the past. Thus besides being politically dense, he suffers—unless he preempts and explains in detail his Byzantine relationship with the Reverend—the additional charge of hypocrisy in courting such a merchant of hate. And then he compounds the disaster by the old-fashion politics of contortion and excuse by suggesting the Rev. Wright is not that controversial, or is analogous to the occasional embarrassing outburst of an uncle—some uncle.

4) There is a growing sense of betrayal among some of his supporters. Sen. Obama promised to transcend race; millions of sincere people of both parties took him at his word and invested psychologically and materially in his candidacy. Part of his message was that collectively America had made great progress, and their Ivy League and subsequent careers, in addition to his rhetoric of inclusiveness and tolerance, bore witness to that progress in racial equality. Now we learn, that for much of his career, he was not only attending hate-filled sermons against “rich white people” and the “g-d d——d America” (in hopes of solidifying his racial fides in regional Chicago politics?), but subsidized that ministry of intolerance. So while he promised an evolution beyond the race-identity politics of Jesse Jackson or the Rev. Sharpton, his own minister trumped anything that either one of those preachers might have sermonized. All in all—a betrayal.

5) The timing is especially troubling. In delegate mathematics, Obama seems to have the nomination; but this scandal—and it is a scandal despite the best efforts of sympathetic journalists to downplay it—will only cause worry for the super delegates, who now must either nominate a candidate (no doubt the vast right-wing conspiracy is examining the multivolume DVDs of Rev. Wright’s collective corpus of hatred) who will bleed all spring and summer, or “steal” the nomination from the “people” and “hand it over” to Hillary.

So now in place of a critical discussion of issues from taxes to the war, welcome to the Politics of Change.

 

 

If you're a politician, no matter who you know or who supports you, there will be some crazy fucker that screws up your message. The difference between Barack and other politicians? He owns up to it, apologizes, and distances himself. He makes his own views VERY clear, and if you people casting judgement on him had ever read his books or listened to any of his topical speeches on religion, government etc, you would know these views are not his own.

He has denounced this man and his inflammatory remarks, whereas Clinton has not even offered apology for Ferraro's debacle. Ferraro's resignation was even spiteful and retaliatory, and she continues to speak out the way she has with NO rebuke from Clinton. Look up Keith Olbermann's very direct and powerful response to Hillary on this matter...

I am a former clinton supporter gone Obama, and I made my switch after reading his books, after looking up his speeches online, after investigating both Clinton and Obama's records in the senate.

Having made an informed decision, I trust the candidate I voted for in my primary and I could care less what anyone peripherally associated with his campaign says AS LONG as he distances himself if they go politically crazy, which he has done.

Those buying into hype or who have not done the research on their candidate may feel doubt. But then, those are the same people who actually believed the mainstream media back in 2000 when they declared that Gore said he "invented the internet".

Dumb, misinformed, media spoonfed motherfuckers in this country, I swear :|



Rath said:
ssj12 said:
DKII said:
Yea I'm conservative-leaning and I still think Obama is a less-bad choice than all of the idiots in the Republican party that tried to run, rather disappointing selection overall.

Ron Paul was no idiot


No, he was a good honest man who would have made a terrible president.


Then shouldn't that be a "Yes"?

 



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If Obama supports that racist bullshit I can guarantee I WON'T be voting for him...



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makingmusic476 said:
Rath said:
ssj12 said:
DKII said:
Yea I'm conservative-leaning and I still think Obama is a less-bad choice than all of the idiots in the Republican party that tried to run, rather disappointing selection overall.

Ron Paul was no idiot


No, he was a good honest man who would have made a terrible president.


Then shouldn't that be a "Yes"?

 


 No as in 'no he is not an idiot'. Either no or yes would have meant the same thing there.



Obama Denounces His Pastor’s Statements

In the handful of years Senator Barack Obama has spent in the national spotlight, his stance toward his pastor has gone from glowing praise to growing distance to — as of Friday — strong criticism.

On Friday, Mr. Obama called a grab bag of statements by his longtime minister, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., “inflammatory and appalling.”

“I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue,” he wrote in a campaign statement that was his strongest in a series of public disavowals of his pastor’s views over the past year.

Earlier in the week, several television stations played clips in which Mr. Wright, of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, referred to the United States as the “U.S. of K.K.K. A.” and said the Sept. 11 attacks were a result of corrupt American foreign policy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/15/us/politics/15wright.html

There.

Obama has also denounced Farakkan's views..  



Sansui said:


He has denounced this man and his inflammatory remarks, whereas Clinton has not even offered apology for Ferraro's debacle. Ferraro's resignation was even spiteful and retaliatory, and she continues to speak out the way she has with NO rebuke from Clinton. Look up Keith Olbermann's very direct and powerful response to Hillary on this matter...




Ferraro is not nor has ever been Hillary's mentor for the past 20 years, unlike Mr Wright has been for Obama. And Clinton did apologize for Ferraro yesterday, so please check your sources before writing lies here.



 

 

Rath said:
makingmusic476 said:
Rath said:
ssj12 said:
DKII said:
Yea I'm conservative-leaning and I still think Obama is a less-bad choice than all of the idiots in the Republican party that tried to run, rather disappointing selection overall.

Ron Paul was no idiot


No, he was a good honest man who would have made a terrible president.


Then shouldn't that be a "Yes"?

 


No as in 'no he is not an idiot'. Either no or yes would have meant the same thing there.

Then your statement made little sense.  You said that he was a good honest man, which does nothing to imply that he is not an idiot, and you said that he would make a terrible president, which only further supports that notion that he is an idiot.  The evidence in your sentence conflicted with your initial assertion.