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Goatseye on 15 June 2016
JLC215 said:
MS hoping for Recore to do big numbers like Rachet & Clank did for Sony at the cheaper price point

Or maybe State of Decay numbers.



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crissindahouse on 15 June 2016
shikamaru317 said:
Scorpio is starting to sound pretty meh to me. What is the point of releasing a more powerful console if it's designed solely to boost resolution? It's just not possible to build an affordable console that can boost graphics and hit 4K, as you can currently see on PC you need at least 10 teraflops to hit 4K at ultra settings, 6 teraflops is only enough for medium settings, or current gen console graphics. MS should instead be encouraging devs to release at sub-4K resolutions upscaled to 4k with improved graphics over Xbox One games.

Well, it is often enough for 30fps, which many console games are in singlelplayer. 

But yes, if it really only increases resolution for people with 4K displays (well, and HDR but the Slim  has that as well) then it would be a really stupid move. It would be a great selling point for many if they could play the games still in 1080p but with 60 instead of 30fps, with more effects, better textures and so on. That would be a much better selling point as 4k.

I have no idea what Spencer's logic behind his words are. In an interview with Major Nelson he clearly said that it's up to developers how to use the power https://youtu.be/QtFUTiwPcQs?t=3m6s  and that means to me, that devs can let their 30fps games run in 60fps on Scorpio, that devs can increase the settings on Scorpio so that it would be definitely a benefit for people on 1080p screens as well. 



crissindahouse on 15 June 2016
shikamaru317 said:
shikamaru317 said:

So, here's what we know about Xbox Scorpio, based on official information and the CGI renderings of the Scorpio motherboard from the announcement video:

CPU: 8 cores. Some tech sites such as Digital Foundry think it's using the old Jaguar cores also used on XB1, PS4, and Neo, others think it's using the newer, more powerful Zen cores. If it's using Jaguar cores there may be some bottlenecking in CPU intensive games, but there should be no bottlenecking issues if it's using Zen cores.

GPU: 6 teraflops. Digital Foundry believes Scorpio is using AMD's new Vega GPU set to release later this year, but with some cores disabled. 56-60 GCN cores running at 800-850mhz.

Memory: Unknown, but Digital Foundry speculates 12 GB GDDR5 at 320 GB/s across a 384 bit bus.

Cooling: Unlike the Xbox One, the Scorpio CGI rendering shows a centrifugal style cooling fan as opposed to an axial fan. Each cooling fan type has it's own advantages and disadvantages. Centrifugal fans are typically smaller, which may mean that Scorpio is smaller than Xbox One was, but Scorpio may run hotter and louder as a result.

We have some more new Scorpio details now, and they're not good. Across 2 different interviews, we have suggestions that there is no point in buying Scorpio if you game at 1080p, because MS will be pushing devs to hit 4K, and in order to hit 4K they may not be able to boost graphics or framerate beyond the Xbox One counterparts. Technically devs aren't forced to aim for 4K, but MS will be strongly encouraging them to. 

-Competitive multiplayer games must run at the same framerate on both XB1 and Scorpio.

-Devs will be encouraged to prioritize 4k over 60 fps and improved graphics when it comes to singleplayer games

-Devs can choose to run at a lower resolution to boost graphics and/or framerate, but MS anticipates that most will aim for 4K instead.

-Phil shot down the rumor of a new Xbox every 2 years moving forward, said that they'd only release new consoles when a new opportunity arose, such as 4k and VR recently. 

Didn't see you posting this.

This makes absolutely no sense. Why can't devs just release the game in 4k and "normal" settings like MS wants and in 1080p the games would get  more effects and higher frame rates in singleplayer?

As if 4k on 4k displays would exclude possible different graphics settings on a lower resolution.  

That would be exactly the backwards thinking I thought Spencer doesn't want with consoles. This "a console can have only one option, different graphics settings are not for consoles" thinking is just stupid. 

Let the consumer decide if he wants to play in 4k or in 1080p with better settings and not "if you play in 1080p on Scorpio, it will be excactly like with a normal XBO, no additional effects or better frame rates even with 5x the power"

It would be so simple. If you have a Scorpio play either in 4k or in 1080p and have two options. A perfomrance mode for best perfomance (60fps and little bit better graphics as on the normal XBO) or a graphics mode with still 30fps but much better settings as on normal XBO. 

Super simple for devs to implement. 



Goatseye on 15 June 2016
crissindahouse said:
shikamaru317 said:
Scorpio is starting to sound pretty meh to me. What is the point of releasing a more powerful console if it's designed solely to boost resolution? It's just not possible to build an affordable console that can boost graphics and hit 4K, as you can currently see on PC you need at least 10 teraflops to hit 4K at ultra settings, 6 teraflops is only enough for medium settings, or current gen console graphics. MS should instead be encouraging devs to release at sub-4K resolutions upscaled to 4k with improved graphics over Xbox One games.

Well, it is often enough for 30fps, which many console games are in singlelplayer. 

But yes, if it really only increases resolution for people with 4K displays (well, and HDR but the Slim  has that as well) then it would be a really stupid move. It would be a great selling point for many if they could play the games still in 1080p but with 60 instead of 30fps, with more effects, better textures and so on. That would be a much better selling point as 4k.

I have no idea what Spencer's logic behind his words are. In an interview with Major Nelson he clearly said that it's up to developers how to use the power https://youtu.be/QtFUTiwPcQs?t=3m6s  and that means to me, that devs can let their 30fps games run in 60fps on Scorpio, that devs can increase the settings on Scorpio so that it would be definitely a benefit for people on 1080p screens as well. 

It can be looked at case by cases.

You don't wanna change the fps of a mp game on Scorpio in regards to their counterpart on X1 original.

What he said is true but can't be told by an exec, bad PR folks are around the corner waiting.



crissindahouse on 15 June 2016
shikamaru317 said:
crissindahouse said:

Didn't see you posting this.

This makes absolutely no sense. Why can't devs just release the game in 4k and "normal" settings like MS wants and in 1080p th egames would get  more effects and higherframe rates in singleplayer?

As if 4k on 4k displays would exclude different graphics settings on a lower resolution.  

That would be exactly the backwards thinking I thought Spencer doesn't want with consoles. This "a console can have only one option, different graphics settings are notf or consoles" thinking is just stupid. 

Yeah, it's pretty silly that there is no upgrade path for 1080p tv owners, we're stuck with Xbox One for who knows how many more years. It's silly that Scoprio doesn't have both 4K with normal graphics mode and 1080p with improved graphics mode. 

With all Xbox games moving to PC it's looking like the best option for 1080p tv owners is to build a gaming PC in a living room friendly HTPC case. On PC you can boost graphics beyond Xbox One level while hitting 1080p 60 fps. That seems to be the best option for 1080p tv owners, not Xbox One, Xbox One S, or Scorpio. 

Even for 4k TV owners it is stupid especially if you have an HDR TV. 1080p looks awesome with HDR (sharper as without), my next TV will be a 4k TV with HDR and I would still play some games in 1080p with HDR and more fps, better drawing distance and so on...

I posted that in my other post you quoted to after you replied to me:

It would be so simple. If you have a Scorpio play either in 4k with a given setting or in 1080p and have two options: a perfomrance mode for best perfomance (60fps and little bit better graphics as on the normal XBO) or a pure graphics mode with still 30fps but much better settings as on normal XBO. 

Super simple for devs to implement.

Higher frames obviously only in singleplayer or maybe co-op games. 



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MikeG85 on 15 June 2016

Did anyone see the post xbox briefing show with geoff Keighley? And maybe a link?

I've had a look for it but cant find it.

Thought maybe more gameplay may have been shown?

Cheers



MikeG85 on 15 June 2016

Ryu , my man.you legend!!



crissindahouse on 15 June 2016

Forza Horizon 3 Live from E3 with Ralph Fulton from Playground Games

https://www.facebook.com/xboxuk/videos/10153676316051344/



Goatseye on 15 June 2016

ReCore sounds better and better the more they show.



crissindahouse on 15 June 2016

Thx Ryuu! I want Horizon 3 now even more